Define "we", or even define "MariaDB"? I am confused. At this point mariadb.org looks like a collection of links to #2 and #3 below: 1) mariadb.org / foundation 2) mariadb.com / skysql 3) askmonty.org
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Colin Charles <b...@mariadb.com> wrote: > Hi Kristian, > > On 18 Sep 2013, at 01:26, Kristian Nielsen <kniel...@knielsen-hq.org> > wrote: > > > Colin Charles <b...@mariadb.com> writes: > > > >> It's 17.09 today, and we've hit 50,160 total downloads (this number is > >> considered company-internal, we don't share this number externally). > > > > "company-internal"? What have you been smoking? Colin, you are supposed > to be > > the community guy for crying out lout :-( > > > > This is *completely*, utterly unacceptable. > > > > MariaDB is a community project. We are about openness. We are about > working > > together, all of us, to create a better world. We are *not* some > individuals > > or companys playground. > > > > So no, the community's usage numbers of its own project is not > "internal", > > thank you very much. > > > > So please cut out the crap already. > > > > I am the Chief Evangelist for MariaDB, and clearly a community advocate > and always fight for the community when discussing things internally. > > You are also absolutely right, that MariaDB is a community project. It is > governed by the MariaDB Foundation. We have always had a strong ethic with > being open. However, despite our strong ethic of being open, we have never > published our download statistics. And maybe we should, but that is a > discussion that needs to happen with all the stakeholders involved, from > the company that pays your salary to the community of developers and users. > > There is an utopian view of the MariaDB world and a realistic view of the > MariaDB world. Let’s try to achieve a balance without being anyones > playground. There are many changes happening in a rapid fashion, and the > cowboy-style that we used to run at Monty Program is clearly changing. > > So while we might want to celebrate the community’s usage numbers, they > were set to be internal, like they have always been. Its like a Facebook > keynote: they have a lot of MySQL servers, but they will never tell you the > exact number of servers or instances that exist (swap Facebook with any > large web property, Google, Twitter, etc.). > > There are competitive reasons to keep numbers private sometime. We have > analysts paying attention to MariaDB. We have the press paying attention to > MariaDB. We have investors paying attention to SkySQL, a large backer of > MariaDB. > > MariaDB has been very open with some numbers (see What’s happening now - > https://mariadb.com/kb/en/), but we have never in the history of the > project shared download numbers. > > Maybe it is time to start a discussion on what numbers do become public. > Maybe its time to publish a press release at the start of next month. Maybe > numbers should be shared amongst all members of the MariaDB Foundation. > Maybe once the MariaDB Foundation is running at full speed, there is a > Community Council, ala what Ubuntu does. > > I don’t know the right answers to this, but one thing I can assure you is > that I do my level best to keep things in the open. I would appreciate that > when something is posted in private it remains that way. You might think > its crap, but its unethical to share private emails in public. > > Kristian, I have very high honours for you. Thank you for your occasional > outbursts to remind us to keep it real. > > cheers, > -colin > > > -- > Colin Charles, Chief Evangelist > MariaDB | t: +6-012-204-3201 | Skype: colincharles > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers > Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Mark Callaghan mdcal...@gmail.com
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