Besides the 10x10. What are our goals. With "we" i mean supporters/developers and users?
I would say: make the best Desktop available. Be better than the others. Do we have a concrete audience? Why are we using GNOME instead of X,Y,Z? As a user I also would say: If there would be a better desktop I would switch. I don't see anything better right now. To be able to market GNOME it is good to know the pros and cons. What is GNOME btw? What if I use the GNOME desktop and a non-GNOME (KDE) application? Am I a GNOME user or a KDE user? And if I would use KDE and use GNOME-applications? So: What is a GNOME user? I only came across the question that was posed what a GNOME application is. But I think that this often does not matter for the user (more important for programers and GNOME foundation). What importance does freedesktop has for GNOME? If we want to reach a goal like 10x10 would this mean to reach that goals by all means necessary (even harm KDE?)? I believe that with the growth of a common denominator (via freedesktop, etc.) both desktops will gain success. This could mean that GNOME, although it sure should define its own goals maybe shopuld consider to do marketing together with KDE and other packages. What is the current situation with OpenOffice.org? I got a very mixes picture. On the one hand there is the Gnome-Office project which consist of Abiword and Gnumeric (right?). On the other hand Openoffice.org is not GNOME but is somehow an important part in argumentation, but not really loved by GNOME people? Same with Mozilla. Mozilla is somehow essential and there is cooperation, but the goals are ver different. There are some nasty bugs that are quite annoying in the GNOME defautl browser Epiphany that the Mozilla people do not fix, as they have workarounds in their applications. Ubuntu and Fedora choose Firefox as their default browser. This was a major set back in my eyes -a nd I really did not understand why the GNOME default browser was not default on the GNOME Live-CD. For marketing I think these mixed messages are poison. Some points may be only unclear, but they need to be cleared or thought out in order to send some clear messages. I think the commitmend of the KDE people to their Konqueror is much higher. How about those on the list? Who does use Epiphany on the day to day work? I do not because of these bugs. Can I expect others to use it then? So such points should be worked on. Maybe there should be more talk from GNOME marketing to Mozilla marketing if developers from both sides do not find together. This just as an example. There are many more issues. Thilo -- blog: http://www.alternativ.net/~vinci license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/de/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list