I would view 2.19.x as something for the enthusiast/power user/version chaser, but 2.20 will be a stable release. Therefore suitable for the masses, not bleeding edge.
--Ken On 8/3/07, Toms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll take a risk to jump into discussion. > > GNOME release day is like finding Christmas present before Christmas. You > open the package, read release notes, clap your hands, tell everybody about > the cool bits we will get soon through, what's quite possible, your techy > blog. The blog has also quite large percent of non-techy readers for whom it > might be a real eye opener and motivator to think about a switch (of course, > in comfort of a techy friend, who will solve any potential problems). > Before Christmas, because jumping on bleeding edge is something that not lot > of people would like to do, so they just find the first stable distro that > will come with new GNOME and start to mark crosses in calendar. > > I think Quim in his first mail put a really nice list, just throwing my 5c > into pool of "enthusiasts" :) > > Toms > > > > On 8/3/07, Ken VanDine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes many of our users are "power users", but we are also gaining quite > > a bit of traction in the new linux user category. Which is what we > > really want, the power users are easy to get. We want the new users > > to want to use GNOME and Foresight. I would be very happy if what we > > did was provide content for the ordinary user type audience. Even if > > it wasn't right on the front of w.g.o, but instead was available as > > something the distro maintainers could redistribute to their users, > > use on their websites and wikis, etc. > > > > More than anything I don't want us to lose release notes content that > > can't easily be produced by distros and ISVs. As a distro maintainer > > I might not have as much of the information as the team working on the > > release notes. And for me it is important to have that information on > > release day. > > > > --Ken > > > > > > On 8/2/07, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As the maintainer of a distro with a strong and explicit focus in > > > GNOME you will appreciate a page where to point your users, yes. But > > > aren't Foresight users falling mostly in the audiences I'm suggesting? > > > Wouldn't they enjoy be treated as power users, developers and the > > > like? > > > This would apply to advanced users or developers using Ubuntu, Debian, > > > Fedora etc. They are anyway receiving our news through the channels > > > they listen. But we can forget about targeting directly regular users > > > and sysadmins, and even regular journalists. > > > We need to be sure where is the GNOME foot standing, who is smelling > > > it and who will speak about its beauty and its power to wider > > > audiences. > > > > > > On 8/2/07, Ken VanDine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I don't completely agree, as a distro maintainer that will be > > > > delivering 2.20 on 2.20 release day, our users want to read about it. > > > > We should write that content, not the distro. It is less interesting > > > > for users of other distros that take much longer to integrate the new > > > > version, but even those could use that content when they do release > > > > it. Perhaps it is something that we package and include with gnome so > > > > when users get the update they have a way to see the release notes... > > > > just an idea. > > > > > > > > --Ken > > > > > > > > On 8/2/07, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On 8/2/07, Murray Cumming < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I also want to try putting everything on one page, but I still > plan to > > > > > > use the docbook translation system. We have no other way to do > > > > > > translation at the moment, and it does work well. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, yes, I wasn't questioning the use of DocBook. I only meant that > > > > > creating one page per language + external links gives less work with > > > > > DocBook than creating the 5-6 we have done until now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (*) Taking in account these customers: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Application developers > > > > > > > Platform developers > > > > > > > Software integrators and distributors > > > > > > > Key software deployers (i.e. public administrations) > > > > > > > Software & Freedom enthusiasts > > > > > > > Tech press > > > > > > > End users at large: not a target > > > > > > > > > > Please don't overlook the targeted audience of the release notes I'm > > > > > proposing here (specially the last line with the "not a target"). It > > > > > contradicts radically what we have been doing until now, and what > > > > > seems to be still the current plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jorge has started a draft of the main text here: > > > > > > > http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointNineteen/ReleaseNotes/Draft > > > > > > > > > > "The intended audience is the typical end-user." > > > > > "For Administrators" > > > > > > > > > > I think we have been doing this mistake for so long. The day we > > > > > release GNOME 2.20 it is interesting for developers (the current > GNOME > > > > > developers, the wider GTK+ context, the free software context and > > > > > other developers specialized in non-free environments increasingly > > > > > interested in what we do). It is also interesting for distros, OEMs, > > > > > engineers involved in big deployments with intense/customized use of > > > > > GNOME, power users and the specialized press. > > > > > > > > > > Not the typical end user and probably not the average sysadmin > either, > > > > > since they are following the distros (if they do follow them). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jorge, please note that I plan for us to use the Users, > Developers, > > > > > > Administrators structure that we had in 2.14 here: > > > > > > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/ > > > > > > You seem to be doing almost that already in your draft. > > > > > > > > > > I think this is a way to repeat the same mistakes every six months. > > > > > One page with the main flashes. There are not so many, we can create > a > > > > > good effect in a single shot but split the message in different > pages > > > > > (most of them with almost void content) is a waste of energy that > > > > > makes nobody happy. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org > > > > > -- > > > > > marketing-list mailing list > > > > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ken VanDine > > > > http://ken.vandine.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ken VanDine > > http://ken.vandine.org > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > > -- Ken VanDine http://ken.vandine.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list