Hi Dave, Dave wrote:
> > Which countries? > > Besides Thailand and Nepal due to the material online I would add: Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United, Arab Emirates and also Pakistan, Afghanistan and other muslim countries maybe those with +50% muslim population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Muslim_world_map.png > When abandoning a logo, you are in essence saying that it has no value to you. In my view its rather the question of why a worldwide project that committed itself to internationalization would want to offend parts of the world. To do this without knowing to do so is acceptable and understandable - but if iobe becomes aware of a problem the question is why one wants to keep offending people. What was formerly unconciously is than conciously. I think my view is very different from yours. You are trying to defend a logo, which has served GNOME for many years. I rather look at what offends people and therefore holds back GNOME in many countries and would suggest to change what offends. Both views are possible, but a compromise is needed. The real question is how much harm the current GNOME logo does in relation to the benefit for keeping it. My view is that if the GNOME logo will keep some countries from even looking at GNOME as a viable desktop alternative than it does great harm to the whole project if the goal is to be acceptable in every country. There are things that GNOME will never fix, such as becoming closed source for people who are offended by open source - but there are things that are not essential to the core GNOME like a logo, documentation,... which can be changed if it seems wise to do so. I would recommend to think over the conception of "why should it be a problem if I dont have a problem with it?" Thats the wrong approach - the better question is "Why should one offend people if this is not what the project is about?" If one decides to do it conciously then one has to bear the consequences. A compromise could be that the Foundation does a real evaluation about the extend of the problem. I think by just asking of the list one might not get good answers because those who are offended by GNOME would not subscribe here ;-). Its not always about better software, or better documentation, sometimes its about how to interact and communicate that makes the difference. Regards, Thilo -- Thilo Pfennig - PfennigSolutions IT-Beratung- Wiki-Systeme Sandkrug 28 - 24143 Kiel (Germany) http://www.pfennigsolutions.de/ XING: https://www.xing.com/profile/Thilo_Pfennig - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tpfennig -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list