I'd like to represent middle Tennessee market. On Aug 10, 2011 5:39 PM, "Tom Davies" <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi :) > So ban people from those positions unless they can speak English? It seems a > bit elitist to me. > > > Why "middle men"? Why not "middle women"? > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David Emmerich Jourdain <jourd...@documentfoundation.org> > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 21:15:50 > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers > > Hi, > > 2011/8/10 Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> > >> Hi :) >> It might be possible for a team of people or even an individual that don't >> speak >> English to choose someone that does speak English to translate between >> their >> team and the English, perhaps more than one person. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> > > I agree with all the notes given by all. Except this one. > > So, as Paulo already have manifested in the brasilian lists and in the > international lists, it's delicate to have people who communicate through > other, and that would happen here with this idea. Whether in Brazil or in > any country. > > I agree that English can be a barrier in Brazil, as in other countries. But > let middlemen emerge can create filters. And I'm not saying this just > thinking about Brazil. After all, as I said, other countries are also > experiencing this problem, you may be right. > > So, I think that the marketing list really should think about that idea, to > have more contributors or "Mitarbeiter", but I think that everybody on this > list need to communicate in English. Without intermediaries, without > filters. > > Best, > > David > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Paulo de Souza Lima <paulo.s.l...@varekai.org> >> To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org >> Sent: Wed, 10 August, 2011 20:51:47 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Building a network of marketeers >> >> Hi Florian, >> >> >> > Hello, >> > since September 28th, 2010, everyone of you has done a fantastic job, >> > invested a tremendous amount of work, and has been contributing a lot to >> > make LibreOffice what it is today -- a software used worldwide, a >> > well-recognized brand, and a name people trust in, something that stands >> > for >> > free software, open standards and a major productivity suite. >> > Many of you have recognized that we have not yet set-up fixed community >> > roles, official titles or named team leads. This has been on purpose, to >> > not >> > create fixed structures from the beginning, and I have a feeling we are >> > performing very well with this approach. In the next months, I am sure >> that >> > we will see some more structure growing, but I hope it will not be as >> > diverse and large as we had it with OpenOffice.org -- to me, the "flat" >> > approach we are following at LibreOffice works very well and keeps >> lowering >> > barriers for people joining the community. When many people contribute >> > their >> > amazing talent, creativity and a lot of time, it is not necessary to have >> > too many different "hierarchies" in the project. >> >> >> I fully agree to that!!! We are working just fine without such titles and >> hierarquies... >> >> >> > However, there is one area where we should move forward and work for more >> > structures, and that is marketing. >> > Those who have been involved with OpenOffice.org remember our so-called >> > "MarCons", the marketing contacts, and I would like to start building >> > something similar in the LibreOffice community. We had various >> discussions >> > on the marketing mailing list on this topic, and there is a common >> > agreement >> > that this approach is worth a try. For those who don't remember, have a >> > look >> > at this page: http://marketing.openoffice.**org/contacts.html< >> > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html>Don't >> > be irritated by the fact that some well-known LibreOffice people are >> > still listed, it seems that nobody updated the page since September... >> > >> >> <snip> >> >> >> > What I want to do is to have a strong and solid network of marketeers for >> > the *LibreOffice* project. They do not represent the Foundation as legal >> > entity, but even more do represent the Community, the project and the >> > product. >> > So, in a nutshell, I am aiming for a distinction between the Foundation's >> > official spokespeople, and the LibreOffice project's spokespeople. The >> > rationale behind this is that in the future, the Foundation might have >> > several projects, each with their own contacts. >> > Ideally, for every international projects that we currently have - >> > http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Local_**Mailing_Lists< >> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists>- >> > we should find at least two community representatives, ideally even >> > three. >> > They will be listed on an official website, should get some official >> title >> > that we still can decide on ("Marketing Contact" might be a good choice, >> > but >> > I'm open to other solutions), be elegible to use LibreOffice business >> > cards, >> > and will be the first point of contact for any marketing, PR or >> > journalist-related inquiries in their area. So, while not legally >> > representing the Foundation, those contacts should be recognized as >> > officially spokespeople for the project and the community. >> > Their list of tasks is wide and interesting, like organization of trade >> > shows, translating press releases, giving interviews and answering >> > journalist questions. They will also have many important duties inside >> the >> > project, the most important one being a "gateway" between the >> international >> > marketing of LibreOffice and the local marketing, communicating ideas in >> > both directions and giving feedback. Marketing heavily depends on the >> > market >> > and the area, and the better everyone understands the situation of >> > different >> > areas, the more we can improve our global marketing efforts. >> > Of course, and especially since this is a volunteer job, nobody has to do >> > the job alone. ;-) The most important is that there are trusted contacts >> in >> > each region who have an overview what is going on, who are willing to >> > coordinate things, and who can also cry for help in case things do not >> work >> > out the way they plan. Challenges and tasks will heavily differ between >> > various regions, but the core set of todos will be rather similar. >> > In order to make that magic happen, I also aim for improving the >> > communication between the various international groups. One proposal that >> > we >> > currently investigate is to transform the marketing conference calls into >> > some sort of monthly updates on what is going on in the community. We >> will >> > also ensure that all marketing contacts will receive press releases >> before >> > they are made public, so they have enough time to translate them or, see >> > above, search for another volunteer to do the translation. >> >> >> Should those people be voted and have a mandate or those positions will be >> for a "lifetime"? =) >> I think we could locally promote ellections from time to time. What do you >> think? >> >> >> > >> > Before I start writing an encyclopedia on community marketing and make >> > everybody tired, I have some tasks for you. ;-) >> > I would like to ask everyone to discuss this idea on their local mailing >> > lists in their native language (feel free to translate my e-mail if you >> > want), and to hear what they are thinking. Share this idea with them, let >> > us >> > know their questions, feedback, ideas and of course constructive >> criticism, >> > and ask if you have some people on the list who would be willing to serve >> > as >> > marketing contacts. Ideally, we find a good combination of newcomers and >> > experts, in order to help new contributors join our marketing efforts, >> > while >> > having experienced colleagues at their side, helping them to find their >> > way. >> > I will try to draw some graph illustrating my ideas and put it into the >> > wiki. >> >> >> Albino has put this into discussion in our local list. >> >> >> > >> > Ideally, the local groups will propose candidates and have a vote on them >> > in >> > the neat future, and we then can start a kick-off meeting via Skype, >> phone, >> > or even face to face in Paris. >> > I would be honoured to work with a strong network of marketeers to shape >> > the >> > future of LibreOffice, and I look forward to your feedback! >> >> >> So, I suppose the candidates should be able to speak English, not only >> read/write in that language, am I wrong? If I'm right, this issue will >> reduce the possibilities of many candidates, at least in Brazil. >> >> In the other hand, local marketing teams could have one or two contacts >> between them and the international marketing team, and open wider >> possibilities to people who can't communicate in English. I'm not sure how >> this could work yet. Any idea? >> >> >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Florian >> > -- >> > Florian Effenberger <flo...@documentfoundation.org**> >> > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation >> > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 >> > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff >> >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Paulo de Souza Lima >> Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador >> http://www.pasl.net.br >> http://almalivre.wordpress.com >> Curitiba - PR >> Linux User #432358 >> Ubuntu User #28729 >> >> "For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and >> the >> peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle >> between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >
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