Hi :)
Many people are willing and even enjoy testing and trying out the latest newest 
version especially if that means they get to play with new features.  There are 
so many of them they even have names such as "early adopters".  We need to 
attract more of them!!  

Those people are not looking for stability.  They are looking for fresh and 
exciting or just trying to stay ahead of the game and see what is coming up 
next.    

Sell those new early releases using those aspects  as the way of promoting 
them.  

If you blatantly lie and tell people that the new branch is "stable" then those 
ear4ly-adopters  lose interest and go elsewhere, to other projects that ARE 
doing new and exciting things AND telling people about it.  

At the same time, by claiming that the latest new thing IS your most stable 
version then if/when they find regressions they wont bother looking at previous 
versions.  After all you have just told them there is no version more stable 
than the one they have been given and therefore any problems are NEW bugs.  So, 
they walk away to find other products that do have the functionality they are 
looking for and just tell people they know that LO is just not ready yet.  

In almost all cases that got as far as the Users List those blockers were 
solved by simply getting them to try the 3.4.6 release.  The one that didn't 
have all the regressions you would expect from a new and exciting branch.  

I seem to be explaining this really badly.  If i say it 1 way around people 
think i am a jerk because of course i should expect regressions in the latest 
software.  But what if i don't want the latest?  What if i want something solid 
and reliable?  

The official website has been telling people  that 3.5.0 and so on where the 
most reliable when they weren't!!  If it told them instead that they were 
getting the ultra-latest then they might be happier about accepting regressions 
and perhaps looking back for a more stable version.  If they are told it IS the 
most stable version then WHY would they look?


Now there is a question on the User List asking if the  3.5.4 is stable and 
ready for corporate use.  NO-ONE can TRUSTS the official TDF line, as repeated 
by Italo, because it has been used so many times before and then found to be 
false in so many cases.  Which part of this line is true this time and which 
part is a lie this time?  "3.5.x is stable, although there are some 
regressions".  The 1st part tells us that it is ready for corporate usage, the 
2nd part contradicts that.  

However the whole discussion can be avoided by actually telling the truth 
instead of lying about it and then trying to cover-up the lie.  Sell the 
product on what really ARE its good points (ok, and stretch it a little as 
every marketing department for every product probably does).  

Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Sun, 3/6/12, Italo Vignoli <italo.vign...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Italo Vignoli <italo.vign...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fw: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 
ready for business users?
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 3 June, 2012, 11:07

3.5.x is stable, although there are some regressions which impact on
some users. Of course, this is not implying that 3.5.x is perfect, and
we will never have a perfect software as bugs and regressions are part
of the process especially when you are developing new features on a 20
years old code base.

Unfortunately, as it is the case for proprietary software as well, the
only way to check if bugs and regressions impact your usage patterns is
to install the software and start using it.

Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :) The 3.5.0 was blatantly not ready for business use and was not
> stable, as we saw from the number of problems people had on the
> lists, problems that were often solved by going back to 3.4.x.  It
> was absurd to claim that 3.5.0 or 3.5.1 or 3.5.2 were stable.

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