Sure. But companies are not everything
And more importantly, this is no excuse to stick with our current model. On Aug 22, 2012 2:58 PM, "Tom Davies" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi :) > Ahhh, yes. Within 10 years i can easily imagine The Cloud as being the > mainstream way that almost everyone uses for almost everything. However, i > think that will still leave a large number of people (and even quite a lot > of companies) that still need desktop apps and localised data-storage. > > Also a lot of people (and companies) that are currently racing to get onto > The Cloud will have become disillusioned with it and be moving back away > from it for specific things. Companies did have good reasons for moving > away from something similar in the 1980's and it wasn't only about limited > bandwidth back-in-the-day. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > --- On Wed, 22/8/12, Ian Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Ian Lynch <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] SoftMaker Office > To: "Tom Davies" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Jay Lozier" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 22 August, 2012, 12:40 > > On 22 August 2012 12:25, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi :) > > Hopefully it's the range of different products that have a large overlap > > for most of the functionality people genuinely use. > > > > Each Suite has a niche market and allows people to switch fairly easily > > between different Suites. For example a document created in Google-docs > > using Odt format should be easy to modify in LO. The problems arise when > > sharing with MSO or between people using different versions of MSO. > > > > Google docs is excellent if you need to collaborate through The Cloud but > > where i'm working at the moment they are all on one site and that has > > amazingly bad internet connection. Very low bandwidth. Not quite as bad > > as the worst Wireless or Dial-up but still pretty awful. So, Cloud would > > seem to be a bad choice for the company where i am at the moment. > > > > I'm really thinking ahead here not about specific circumstances and > limitations. What is the long term trend? We are a small business and its > important enough for us to make sure we have a decent internet connection > and backups. If we can do that on our limited resources others will too or > eventually become uncompetitive. > > > > > I think a lot of people are likely to be in similar position for a long > > time > > > Depends on what yo mean by a long time. 10 years is a long time in therms > of tech change but not that long if you are as old as me :-) > > so although The Cloud is brilliant for many it's not really suitable for > > everyone. > > > Yet. That argument has been used since 2000. One thing is sure, there is a > trend for greater and greater use and that is having a significant impact > on many businesses and the way people interact. What really matters is the > trend and the rate of change. Rates of change can hit tipping points and > become very rapid. Then it is simply too late as MS has found with mobile > operating systems and Intel with ubiquitous processor design. ARM now ships > more designs in a year than the whole x86 installed base. Yes, x86 based > computers are not going to disappear tomorrow but what leads the world in > consumer processor technology has radically shifted. > > > > > It's great to have the option to use either using the same format with > > hardly any troubles with compatibility. MSO never really delivers that > > despite it's promises and despite the mainstream-public's perception. > > > Depends on whether odf as a format is the most important issue or specific > code as the productivity tool. For me it is odf across a wide range of > products. For someone committed to a lifetime hacking LO the perception > might well be different. > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > --- On *Wed, 22/8/12, Ian Lynch <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Ian Lynch <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] SoftMaker Office > > To: "Jay Lozier" <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, 22 August, 2012, 11:28 > > > > > > On 21 August 2012 16:31, Jay Lozier <[email protected]< > http://mc/[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > > The real question is whether SO (or LO) is adequate MSO replacement for > > most > > > users. My experience is for most users the answer is yes; most users > only > > > use a part of the available features. Then the issue is whether a > > > proprietary, commercial package (SO) is better than LO. Technically, I > > > believe LO is better and I do not find most commercial software support > > all > > > that good (I have not checked SO's support). But others may have > > different > > > opinions and comfort levels between proprietary and FOSS software. > > > > > > IMHO, the real marketing issue for most users is that MS has convinced > > them > > > that there is only office suite that can be used. > > > > I think that is weakening. However it seems unclear whether AOO/LO are > > the main reason. There is some evidence that Google Docs is becoming > > the most influential as work migrates to the web - hence MS and 365 > > Office. You rightly point out that for most people the features in MSO > > are complete overkill but that could be said of most desktop office > > suites. We are using GoogleDocs more and more because we need to share > > documents with many other people around the world and that feature is > > more valuable than obscure features. We use LO/AOO in specific cases > > eg to provide a pdf to publish a book but for most day to day things > > Google Docs integrated with hangouts and gmail etc is much the best > > solution. So I see the biggest challenge for all desktop office suites > > as a gradually eroding user base as more and more people migrate to > > the web for their productivity tools. Of course this is going to take > > years and there might always be a specialist desktop market but then > > development takes years so it is not going to be easy to change track. > > > > > -- > > > Jay Lozier > > > [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+ > > [email protected]< > http://mc/[email protected]> > > > Problems? > > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > > Posting guidelines + more: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > > deleted > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ian > > > > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) > > > > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > > > > The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, > > Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. 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