Thanks Jay. And please everyone, don't be impressed or annoyed by this blog. We have more serious and productive stuff to do.
best, Charles. 2012/10/31 Jay Lozier <jsloz...@gmail.com> > On 10/31/2012 11:13 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > >> Le 2012-10-31 09:44, Italo Vignoli a écrit : >> >>> Il 31/10/2012 14:19, Florian Monfort ha scritto: >>> >>> http://www.robweir.com/blog/**2012/10/libreoffices-dubious-** >>>> claims-part-i-downloads.html?**utm_source=feedburner&utm_** >>>> medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%**3A+robweir%2Fantic-atom+%** >>>> 28Rob+Weir%3A+An+Antic+**Disposition%29<http://www.robweir.com/blog/2012/10/libreoffices-dubious-claims-part-i-downloads.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+robweir%2Fantic-atom+%28Rob+Weir%3A+An+Antic+Disposition%29> >>>> >>> >>> Of course not. Rob Weir is our main enemy, and has always been such (you >>> can dig a little bit inside his blog). He represents IBM mood, and this >>> is just a proof that TDF and LibreOffice are more successful than Apache >>> OO. >>> >>> -- >>> >> >> Well, disregarding the author's name, the article contends that the >> metrics behind TDF/LibreOffice is not verifiable. So, the question is, can >> anyone collect LibreOffice data on their own and at any moment? I don't >> think we are at the point where we can say yes to this. But, we should >> definitely be working hard on this so that we can all have clarity on the >> number of downloads and user numbers. Being able to verify numbers by all, >> and, at any time (whether for our own use or for our competition to see) >> serves us well in determining the health of our community. >> > The problem is that numbers have a variety of statistical problems built > in no matter the openness of the source. Multiple downloads, multi-boot > systems, having both installed and using one primarily, source bias (distro > shipping with LO not AOO for example). The problem is well beyond my very > limited statistical literacy and judging from Rob Weir's comments my > statistical competence is far greater than his. > > Rob's problem is that he confuses downloads with usage and implies that > anyone who download statistics he can not supposedly verify is lying. He > never answers the implicit question of why the TDF would lie about LO > downloads or even want to lie about the statistics. My statistical > background is from a manufacturing background but I see several lurking > problems in anyone's statistics. > > Anyone who runs a small website will get various statistics from their > host and they statistics can not be verified by someone like Rob. Is the > host or website owner a liar when they report the statistics? Almost, > always no because they have no reason to lie about their traffic. The TDF > is in the same situation, the traffic is what the traffic is and the > downloads are what they are. I would more interested in the trends of the > both than the absolute numbers because that would be an indication of > growth and future project health. > > > >> The author also uses the race horse analogy, "people would bet on the >> fastest horse rather than the slow one" (paraphrased). While this may be >> true, a new up-and-coming horse may get more support than a fast horse that >> is obviously in decline. >> >> IMO, we should not respond to his article and just let it die a slow >> death, we should not give him the "soap box" that he is looking for. Anyone >> with common sense can read the writing on the wall. Let's keep on our track >> and not worry about such articles. It still doesn't stop us from reading >> them and taking out what may be of value to us. >> > Agreed, read them, discuss what we can learn from them and move on. In > this case I would say the real problem is accurately determining actual > usage from various raw download statistics for any FOSS project not just > LO. A download does not mean regular user. > > >> Cheers, >> >> Marc >> >> >> > > -- > Jay Lozier > jsloz...@gmail.com > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** > libreoffice.org <marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org> > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** > unsubscribe/<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** > Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> > List archive: > http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/<http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
