On 8 April 2013 07:45, Evans Ikua <ikua.ev...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot Ian for that info and the work that you are doing with > certification, especially based on LO. My thinking is that TDF would be > better placed to work with your organization to lend more credence to the > certification, as well as working with other regional organizations to > support the certification. I think one way that proprietary companies > normally beat us is o certification and accreditation. Also, looking at the > more successful OSS projects, having a certification programme is normally > a strategic initiative and a show of maturity of the solution, thereby > gaining more trust in the marketplace. >
I agree with you 100%. There has always been a degree of confusion about the word certification and what it means. The difficulty is that the commercial demand for LO certification is currently limited - at least here in the UK and from the feedback I have from EU colleagues in the EU. That is why none of the mainstream awarding organisations like C&G, CompTIA, Cambridge Assessment, Pearson etc do it. Although they have done some things with LPI it is glacially slow and no-one in those organisations has much idea of FOSS or if there is a potential market. We want to be helpful to FOSS but in the end something has to pay the wages and development costs of things we are already committed to so there is a limit to what time I can put into things right now. Any sniff of conflict or hassle is a big deterrent as far as I am concerned. Since you are already trained in our systems, if you have a market, it is easy to support you with the certification technology etc. at no cost to you until you start making it pay. We understand the difficulties in getting started. We will do what we can to help you get some traction. If TDF want to endorse such a project in Kenya it will probably help, if they don't I doubt it is a showstopper but you would have to make that decision, you know the local environment best. Maybe do it as a restricted pilot and see how it goes to find out what lessons can be learnt for extending later to other areas. I think most people under-estimate how difficult it is to get this sort of thing going. Difficult, not impossible. Btw, still thinking about the drive through the Nairobi National Park. It would be great to be able to do that again :-) Chris sends his regards, he is off to the USA this week doing the sound engineering for the Selecter Tour. <http://www.theselecter.net/> :-) Evans > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 6 April 2013 23:53, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Hi :) > > > He did ask quite a long time in advance. There was quite a bit of > > > discussion about it at the time but no clear answers to his question > > about > > > the logo. There was no community logo at the time and it wasn't clear > > that > > > he couldn't use the logo with the strap-line. Such things have become > a > > > lot clearer in the last year-and-a-half but it was all very unclear > back > > > then. > > > Regards from > > > Tom :) > > > > > > > As I said to Charles in a private mail. If TDF want me to remove all > > references to LO from our web site I have no problem doing so, they just > > need to send me an official e-mail. I was assuming nominal use since this > > is generally the situation in similar cases. The only intention was to > give > > LO some more brand exposure, there really is no commercial value in it > for > > us. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > *From:* Charles-H. Schulz <charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> > > > *To:* Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com>; Marc Paré <m...@marcpare.com> > > > *Cc:* marketing@global.libreoffice.org > > > *Sent:* Saturday, 6 April 2013, 21:49 > > > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Certification and > > accreditation > > > > > > Thank you Ian for the ad placement. > > > This reminds me that you ought to inform the board aboard your project > > you > > > had started one year and a half ago involving the use of our logo. > > > > > > Best, > > > Charles. > > > > > > > > > Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > > > >Just for info, we have been offering desktop skills certification in > > > >office > > > >skills using the UK national vocational qualification, the ITQ, for > > > >some > > > >time now. We are also talking with LPI about cooperation for getting > > > >Linux > > > >Essentials and other LPI qualifications better positioned in the > > > >national > > > >Qualifications and Credit Framework so that government funding can be > > > >accessed for courses in public institutions leading to those > > > >qualifications. > > > > > > > >On 5 April 2013 15:26, Marc Paré <m...@marcpare.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Jean, > > > >> > > > >> Le 05/04/13 02:54 AM, Jean Weber a écrit : > > > >> > > > >> Marc, > > > >>> The certification program does not cover desktop skills; it's for > > > >>> migration, support, and training professionals. > > > > > > >>> > > > >>> --Jean > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for pointing this out. 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