Yeah, my target here is development and testing, not final users. Basically I'm talking about what Gonzalo has been doing for 0.100. We could automate that work, it just feels a bit wrong to me because it's not using the normal Fedora infrastructure...
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Daniel Narvaez > <dwnarv...@gmail.com<javascript:;>> > wrote: > > Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow > with > > Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a > > stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm > > not sure what would be a good way to, for example, produce and distribute > > 0.100 rpms for Fedora 19. We can setup our custom automated build system > and > > repository of course, but I'm not sure that's a good approach? Part of > the > > problem here is that upstream tends to depend strongly on very recent > > libraries which are not yet available in the stable fedora, though maybe > now > > that the gi conversion is over we can avoid that. > > I think it is doable. The more difficult part is getting the Fedora > bits to run properly on the XO hardware -- something OLPC had spent > lots of time on. So while I think we can make Fedora releases -- and > probably should -- they probably won't do much good directly for our > major user community. > > -walter > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Walter Bender > >> <walter.ben...@gmail.com<javascript:;> > > > >> wrote: > >> > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez > >> > <dwnarv...@gmail.com<javascript:;> > > > >> > wrote: > >> >> On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com<javascript:;>> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar > development > >> >>> ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web > >> >>> activity > >> >>> work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value > >> >>> proposition of > >> >>> Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld > >> >>> tactile > >> >>> devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards > are > >> >>> no > >> >>> longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. > >> >>> Perhaps the > >> >>> XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from > >> >>> OLPC. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I'll try to express briefly my feelings about the directions the > >> >> project > >> >> could take. Note that I might be missing a lot of what is going on > >> >> above the > >> >> technical level. > >> >> > >> >> * The XO is not a viable hardware platform other than for existing > >> >> deployments. OLPC is pretty clearly going in a different direction. > >> > > >> > I may be alone in thinking that there will be some runway left with > >> > the XO. But deployments need alternatives regardless. > >> > > >> >> * Sugar web activities on the top of a full Android loses too much of > >> >> the > >> >> Sugar value proposition. It's great to have it in addition to > >> >> Sugar-the-OS, > >> >> but it's not enough alone. > >> > > >> > I agree. > >> > > >> >> * From the technical point of view there are several ways to get > >> >> Sugar-the-OS running on tactile devices. Unfortunately it's not clear > >> >> to me > >> >> that any of these devices is open enough to be viable for deployments > >> >> or > >> >> "ordinary" users. > >> > > >> > We looked at ChromeOS a few years back, but at the time it was too > >> > heavy for our hardware. Today, it is a different story. Might be a > >> > viable option. Certainly running GNU/Linux/Sugar on a ChromeBook is > >> > not a bad starting point. > >> > >> Given that ChromeOS is locked down I don't believe it's viable to ask > >> a School to have to break/hack the HW to get it working OOTB. > >> > >> Having been involved in the OLPC OS side of things I believe you would > >> be much better taking the work done by OLPC with things like > >> olpc-os-builder and the work upstream with Fedora to use it to build > >> out OS images that will work in a similar way across both XOs and > >> other HW be it x86 netbook or cheap ARM devices rather than > >> reinventing the wheel! > >> > >> Peter > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel Narvaez > > > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Daniel Narvaez
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