Simon wrote (before the discussion was side-lined slightly): > In general, the family is > communal living which is resistant to mass production, a bit like > reproducing labour in a series of small factory lots rather than one big > factory. But if by mass production you are trying to indicate that an non-family method of housework could be provided within capitalism which generate surplus value or was productive labour, then I do not think that is possible. Although some capitalists may put some domestic workers to work capitalistically (while also carrying out their own domestic toil) this merely results in money being circulated not surplus value being created. This process will always be limited as domestic work cannot be socialised under capitalism. Domestic work is part of private production and falls outside the realm of social production. On top of this as capital comes to rely on women and children to entering the labour market so surplus value increase as well as the rate of exploitation. But this brings about a fall in the rate of profit and hence leads to a capitalist crisis resulting in an increase in the reserve army of labour and women are rapidly and easily thrown back into domestic drudgery. Hence the stuggle for women's liberation, and the abolition of the family as an economic unit, will always be united with the struggle against capitalism. 'nough said, John --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---