Greetings, Since I'm new and only been reading along for a few weeks, I don't know the proper protocol for new "introductions" here. My sense is that what is said is more important than who, so I won't go through and list every one of Marx's works I've read. As to the other stuff, I'd describe myself as a union organizer (you can deduce which Union by reading my email address) striving mightily to avoid becoming Just A Trade Unionist who's fortunate enough to work for a union which encourages taking the long view and, shall we say, having a perspective out of the mainstream. Anyway, onto the debate (attributions snipped): The automatic linking of Bolshevism with Stalinism, and the idea that Stalinism grew necessarily and organically out of the revolutionary Bolshevism of Lenin and Trotsky. (snip) This is important. What deal of responsibility does revolutionary Bolshevism bear for the Stalinist counter-revolution, Rob? It's this kind of statement that makes me say your positions are typically SoD and Kautskyite -- Stalinist tyranny as an automatic consequence of Bolshevism and not as a diametrically opposed aberration. I'm not convinced that Stalinism was a automatic consequence of Bolshevism, but I do believe it's existance was fostered by Leninism. To wit, many of the more extreme manifestations of Stalinism were present in some form during Lenin's tenure. For example, the use of the medical apparatus as an instrument of repression and discreditation. Lenin frequently, in the name of the proletariat, required Party members to submit to his (not the doctor's) medical cures, such as periods of "rest" in comfortable places away from the capital. This backfired on him when Stalin was appointed by the Politburo to monitor his care after his stroke(s) and effectively and efficiently cut him out of the loop. Also, the state that Lenin erected was a sprawling bureaucracy, which by it's very nature spawns inter(and intra)group rivalries and struggles for power. Plus, that bureaucracy had one man effectively at it's head who ultimately called the shots. And, he set up an apparatus (the Central Control Commission, the Cheka, etc.) to ensure the ideological purity of the Party, which was later used by Stalin in his purges. So I suppose the question here is how do we avoid repeating the scenario and instituting one regime with another, how do we avoid throwing out the bourgoisie and merely replacing them with another ruling class "in the name of the workers" which becomes more attached to preserving its own interests and seeking power for itself? Jeff --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---