Thanks Victor,

Am still contemplating what you say below. 

Hadn't thought of this -   "   the kernel of dialectics is purposive
activity, activity with an end " before. Hmmm

Charles

^^^^^^


Victor _

Well put.
I assume your message concerns the problem of expressing dialectics through 
formal logical formula.

     If so, we can investigate more concretely the utility of formal logical
expressions for representations of dialectical relations, than the true but
rather abstract problem of the correspondence (not identity) between the
symbolic systems used to represent the message and the thing represented.

     The kernel of dialectics is purposive activity, activity with an end.
That is, dialectics emerges when life forms do things in order to make some
change in the state of the world of their activity (including, of course,
themselves).  Most dialectical activity is not even willed much less 
conscious.  Some human dialectical activity is, indeed, conscious, and some
is expressed in language form (that which is communicated between men). 
Finally, a relatively small amount of human dialectical activity is 
expressed in the form of concepts, some of which take the form of formal
logic.  Formal logical representation is a special category within the
general category of dialectics.  Having described the place of formal logic 
in the category of dialectics we can say that the correspondence of formal
logical systems to dialectics in general will, by virtue of the former being

only a very particular representation of dialectical, i.e. reasoned or 
logical activity, be restricted relative to the category of dialectics as a 
whole.

      In the case of formal logic these restrictions are in part represented
by its definitions, axioms, and propositions, but there are also other, (as 
Marx would put it) hidden restrictions that are necessary to the practice of
formal logic.  As we wrote above, some human dialectical activity (that 
which is expressly social) is expressed through language.  Most language use

according to researchers and theorists of language learning and use, such as
Vygotsky, is immediate representation of experience, particularistic and 
directly related to the activity and things represented.  Conceptualisation 
is a special development of meaningful speech in which particulars are
categorised by abstract representations in which particulars are grouped
according to some shared relation.  The particular utility of the concept is

in the use of the abstraction to design models (surrogates) of world 
conditions entirely from symbolic components without reference to immediate 
experience.  While the concept as the primary instrument of designed 
activity imparts great advantages to the development of human practice:"We 
pre-suppose labour in a form that stamps it as exclusively human. A spider 
conducts operations that resemble those of a weaver, and a bee puts to shame

many an architect in the construction of her cells. But what distinguishes 
the worst architect from the best of bees is this, that the architect raises

his structure in imagination before he erects it in reality." (Marx Capital 
vol 1.)
it also restricts all creative human activity to the possible constructs of 
the linguistic system by which it is formulated.

For Hegel, conceptual activity includes all forms of consciously designed 
purposive activity, i.e. the sciences.  This is  a far larger category than 
that of  'formal logic.'  Formal logic is reason divested of all content but

that of relation.  In terms of language forms, formal logic is meaningful 
speech reduced to the conjunctives, determiners, and prepositions. The 
subjects of the employment of these operators, the nouns, pronouns, adverbs,

verbs and adjectives is fortuitous and the outcome of pure logic is 
indifferent to the relation of the reasoning to actual practice in the 
world. This is the 'Pure Reason' of Kant, free of all relation to the world 
of movement and of sense.  Need I say that the concept of pure reason as 
anything but intellectual exercise is pure nonsense from the viewpoint of 
objective idealist and of materialist dialectical concepts of knowledge.
MORE LATER.
Victor




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