Jim Farmelant > 

So what is the class character of the Freemasons?  How has
it changed over the years. It seems to me that back in
the 18th and 19th centuries, the Freemasons were
predominantly bourgeois in character with many
aristocrats also belonging.  Back then, the Freemasons
served as a conduit of Enlightenment ideas throughout
Europe and America.  Some of the American founders
such as Ben Franklin and George Washington were
certainly Masons.  Jefferson was probably
a Mason too. The dollar bill has Masonic symbols on it.

 Over in Europe, Motzart was a Freemason and
Masonic symbolism is featured in  some of his operas 
like The Magic Flute. Since, Freemasonry
 has long been condemned by the Catholic Church,
the Freemasons have often been at the center of
anticlerical politics in Catholic countries.


 In the 19th century, 
the anarchist revolutionary,
Mikhail Bakunin made a point of joining a
Masonic lodge in Paris.  Marx & Engels, as
far as I know, had no association with
Freemasonry, even though there are still
people on the extreme right who like to
talk about conspiracies of Freemasons,
Jews, and communists to take over the
world.

The issue of what impact the Freemasons
and other kinds of secret societies have
had on working class organization is
an interesting one and one that I think
merits further exploration.  I think
that E.P. Thompson addressed the
issue to some extent in his *The Making
of the English Working Class*.
Perhaps Waistline can say something
more about the role of Freemasonry among
African-American workers.



CB: Yes, I'm thinking we do a little mini-research project on the masons and
freemasons, as I do not know a lot about them; though I see from the above
that you already have a lot of information on the subject.  Sounds like the
rightwing puts masons in good company. 

I can recite some personal knowledge as an outsider who has socialized with
some masons who are workers and worker-entrepreneurs here in Detroit, in the
general context that Waistline mentioned.

My impression is that back in the era of the rise of the bourgeoisie,
freemasons may have been a potent organization within the bourgeois
revolutionary mechanisms. Sounds like a sort of "international" of the
bourgeoisie as revolutionaries. Perhaps a sort of superguild. 

Then I wonder about the roots in actual masons from feudalism, which would
still be maybe a guild of the archaic and original type. I wonder whether
miners had some kind of guild. Maybe masons were miners of the rocks and
stones that they built with.

Finally, would the more recent masons have preserved some "philosophy" from
working class elements from the feudal period in the secret rituals and
texts; and, if so, are there some rational crumbs or kernels in medieval
working class, and perhaps materialist, philosophy that we could recover.



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