Wrongline2 >>Yea, and also lets answer the question who creates the revolution in the means of production ?<< MP. Pardon Charles . . . . Mr. Lawyer, I answered this question twice already and will answer it again. Human beings create the revolution in the means of production. Production is revolutionized as a result of human ingenuity and I stated this over and over. A human being created say the steam engine and the transistor and the semiconductor and the spinning wheel and the hammer and the hoe. The chariot was created by human beings, as was the sword and slingshot and irrigation canals.
^^^^^ Leninist Lawyer: What a dodge, Wrongline. So, when I asked "who creates the revolution in the means of production, you thought I was asking "is it humans or grasshoppers or chimps or fish or God or Nature "who" create the rev in the means of production. You thought it was a question as to what species or what beings ? That's surely playing dumb. So, just _all_ human beings create the rev in the means of production, the whole human race ? Or is it a particular sector ? So who created the "Third Wave" , just human beings in the abstract ? ^^^^^^^^ Classes in their abstract setting as a property relations devoid of historical concreteness do not create the revolution in the means of production. ^^^^^ Leninist Lawyer CB: Classes are never in an abstract setting in the real world. They are always concrete, really existing classes. It is concrete really existing classes who cause a revolution in the property relations. It is human beings, not things, not means of production, who cause the social revolution. ^^^^^^ Individuals innovate and implementation is governed by another set of laws and circumstances. The revolution in the means of production begins with agriculture thousands of years ago for Christ sake. ^^^^^^ Anthropologist: Well there was a revolution in stone tools before the revolution that started domestication of plants and animals. Anyway, revolutions in the means of production are not abstract, but concrete. There was _a_ specific and concrete , not abstract, revolution in the means of production with the origin of agriculture. It is not abstractly the same thing as later revolutions in the forces of production, as with the windmill or the factory. ^^^^^^ Stop arguing like a petty flogging attorney and try and think things out. Melvin P. ^^^^ Leninist Lawyer: Stop standing on your head , Wrongline, and looking at it upside down, then it won't seem petty to you. _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [email protected] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
