MP: The end of slavery did not change the property relations of the former Slave holding south.
^^^^^ CB: The end of slavery _was_ a change in the fundamental property relations of U.S. capitalism. It ended the form of property in human beings. MP: Really. This includes the industrial North. The fundamental property relations in the US according to Marx were bourgeois property relations with slaves in the plantation South or the Old South. Here is what Marx wrote: "In the second type of colonies - plantations - where commercial speculation figure from the start and production is intended for the world market, the capitalist mode of production exists, although only in the formal sense, since slavery of Negroes preclude free wage labor, which is the basis of capitalist production. But the business in which slaves are used is conducted by capitalists." The capitalist mode of production exist or the bourgeois property relations, not the thing you call slave property relations. Since slavery of Negroes preclude free wage labor, this bourgeois mode of production contained a form of property in humans inconsistent with the bourgeois mode of production. Slave property relations is a category you invented to cover a lack of understanding of commodity production and the value system. You actually stated that Value relations are property relations rather than the relationship that gives products their commodity form in the first place. What gives products their commodity form is that they are produced for exchange and exchangeable on the basis of labor equivalents. It is not the property relations as such that makes labor equivalents exchangeable. It is the division of labor in society. OK . . . Mr., Lawyer . .. Argue your way out of this and sink deeper into your own logic. A slave property relations imposed on the bourgeois mode of production within American capitalism. In other words when capitalist own slaves the property relations become slave property relations. How insightful. Melvin P. _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list [email protected] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
