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Fred wrote: Ruthless can hear condescension in and contempt in Obama's criticism but not at all in Clinton's and McCain's orgies of praise for the decent, hard-working, glorious, salt of the earth, patriotic, fantasy- or really gun-toting "middle class" Clueless responded: Of course *I* recognize McCain's or Clinton's condescension. That is not the point here. The point is that the objects of condescension do not recognize it. (If they did, why would they have voted twice for Bush, who condescended to them just as McCain or Clinton do?) The point is that intellectualized-seeming, professorial-seeming condescension (as in Gore's or Obama's) does not pass muster in the USA. Condescension disguised in populist rhetoric (as in Bush's, McCain's or Clinton's) passes muster. And Fred responds: Note Clueless' version of US history. To hear him tell it, Gore lost because he was viewed as intellectual. But Gore won the popular vote, that is, he outvoted Bush. And the entire election hinged in the end on the electoral votes of Florida, where a Republican state machine seems pretty clearly to have stolen the election. In 2004, Clueless seriously believes that Kerry was defeated by a video of him windsurfing, which someone or other is supposed to have regarded as condescending to people who don't windsurf, and of course Clueless is completely unaware of the fact that debates still rage over methods that were used to block Kerry from winning in Ohio, which would have given HIM the electoral college even though he was behind (but hardly nonexistent, as Clueless' analyses would suggest - the result was fairly close) in the popular vote. And on this basis, Clueless confidently pronounces that no self-respecting white worker will vote for Obama and he is "unelectable." And by the way, does anybody notice the awesome condescension toward white working people in Clueless's comments. ("They" voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, therefore THEY (this undivided body of white workers whish is today presented as voting only as a bloc, like the denizens of that one white bar in Levittown) will vote, in the last analysis, for McCain after Clinton has finished off Obama. Okay, now for some further information for Clueless. The United States is not, as he imagines (and I am sure he is not alone) history-less. They voted for Bush in 2000-2004 (leaving aside whether THEY did or not. Therefore they will vote the same way again and Obama is "unelectable" and we should support candidates from non-imperialist parties -- advice we don't need because almost all of us, including myself, are already doing that). What happened in 2000 and 2004 is not likely to be repeated exactly again. In the interim, all the key policies of Clinton-Bush have collapsed (globalization, financialization, war against social security beginning with the abolition of welfare as we knew it, war against Iraq, intensified blockade of Cuba, war on the table against Iran) have come acropper. It is clueless, Clueless, to treat this as irrelevant to this election. It is clueless, Clueless, not to look for change rather than to confidently assume sameness. Of course, I have to be more patient myself. My view of the endless stability of American politics was corrupted by my participation in the Black liberation struggle in the 1960s and the antiwar movement, and the socialist movement, such as it was. I see what is going on around the Obama campaign as an indication of the beginnings of change. Frankly and ultimately, I don't care whether he is "electable" or not. I support McKinney. But I have seen change and I know it is possible, including among white workers. Unfortunately, and not really his fault, this is totally outside Clueless' imaginative reach today. But it is happening today nonetheless, I think. Fred Feldman _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis