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>>>CB: What are some of the specifics of that integration ?<< First, a correction. I must have imagined any Piaget-Vygotsky correspondence. Piaget only found out about Vygotsky's work after his death, through contact with people who studied under Vygotsky. Second, we have discussed this before ^^^ CB: Yes, I recall. Will have to look into the Thaxis archives. I recall developing a critique of Piaget's theory of the origin of the concept of number as positivistic. That is the idea of some child counting pebbles on a beach as occurring over and over again down through the centuries , as if the original discovery of the concept of number was made in this way. It is positivistic in the essential sense that it is individualistic, or in Marx's terminology, a "Robinsonade". The concept number is discovered socially , I hypothesize in the original commodity exchange, as abstractly outlined in Marx's first pages in _Capital_. I hypothesize that "Number" is invented in commodity exchange. "Name" is invented at human origin. "Number" is invented with swivilization. Anyway, psychologically, number is socially psychologically learned, not learned through re-invention by individual geniuses. Empirically , many primary cultures don't count very, high even ones that are on beaches with lots of pebbles. (or at least Piaget as a philosopher of social science of the 20th century, a status the Anglo-analytic traditions ignore), but since that time I have found more online, including a straightforward Marxist critiques of Piaget (Lektorsky, Durak): http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/p/i.htm#piaget-jean http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/fr/piaget2.htm http://www.marxists.org/archive/lektorsky/subject-object/ch01.htm#s2 http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/comment/piaget.htm http://tomweston.net/PiagetDurak.pdf ----------------------- I will follow up on that use of the term 'means of production' as that fascinates me more than the 'dialectic' one, which we already discussed anyway. I think Durak's charge (after a quick scan read, so don't hold me responsible for not understanding Durak just yet) against Piaget of 'idealism' holds, then it makes all structuralists and Frege idealists as well. CJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
