-TH: dialectical nature Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us Tue Jan 12 08:39:07 MST 1999
Previous message: M-TH: Marx contributed to Anti-Duehring Next message: M-TH: Jim F on heuristic Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, Gerry, This is becoming clearer and clearer. With all these claims to being empirical, Andy especially has the "ability" to look at Marx's words and see the exact opposite of what is right there before him. Take the following from Capital. "The possessor of money or commodities actually turns into a capitalist in such cases only where the maaximum sum advanced for production greatly exceeds the maximum of the middle ages. Here, as in natural science, is shown the correctness of the law discovered by Hegel (in his "Logic"), that merely quantitative differences beyond a certain point pass into qualitative changes." Andy somehow thinks this is different than what Engels says. Engels' "dialectics of nature" is nothing more than this type of comment. The first page of his notes entitled "Dialectics of Nature" mentions this law and two others. Marx above uses the general category "natural science". Charles >>> <GerDowning at aol.com> 01/12 3:59 AM >>> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:28:45 -0500 (EST) Gerald Levy <glevy at pratt.edu> writes: >If you are really interested in reading a systematic dialectical >presentation on nature which is developed as part of a unity with an >investigation of the social realm, you should read not Marx or Engels > >but Hegel. > >Jerry > It can be done with nature if one is an idealist. As a diverse range of thinkers like Lukacs, Adorno, Hook, Colletti, Sartre, G.A. Cohen and many others have pointed out diamat smuggles the Hegelian God into its concept of matter. Hence, it scientific pretentions, its claim to offer an alternative to metaphysics is quite unfounded. Diamat is itself a metaphysics, is itself a theology. Jim Farmelant Gerry D: It should be noted that none of the above were practical revolutionaries, none engaged in the class struggle in order to change reality, all regarded Marxism as academic debate which had no relation to the practical necessities of the oppressed. Even Sartre's political activities consisted in joining and resigning but never leading. So unsurprisingly they had an IDEALIST, DUALIST approach to Marxism, not the richness of the MONOIST materialist dialectic, which is as opposed to religion and metaphysics as Jim is to Marxism. Gerry D This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com _______________________________________________ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis