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I'd say at this point that, barring the improbable, the counterrevolution has triumphed in Libya, no matter which "leaderships" win. Any intervention will be used as a lever against the Tunisian and Egyptian mass movements, as it is now being used against the mass movement in Bahrain. Regardless of how the tactical situation changes - the strategic situation has not yet been reversed, that ultimately depends on the final resolution of the Egyptian situation - the principal perspective remains the same: Libya was a genuine extension of the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. Proof: 1) the obvious timing of the Libyan revolt, coming close on the heels of Egypt; 2) The spontaneous pan-Libyan character of the mass uprising - this was not "just Benghazi", and anyone who claims otherwise is depending on some American-style shortness of memory and is rewriting history already, CNN style. The spontaneous character of the Libyan uprising was its chief weakness - compare this especially to Egypt - exposing a nearly complete political vacuum, into which rushed a motley collection of ex-Gadhaffists, emigres with ties to imperialism and other assorted opportunistic riffraff. This is, btw, the key problem we face in this new era, the general absence of revolutionary leadership. But as against the simplistic cookie-cutter view of the world of our opponents, this is not reason to condemn and oppose the right of the Libyan masses to overthrow Gadaffi, imperialism's previous favorite, no more than it would require us to condemn and oppose the Kosovar peoples right to self-determination, even as the KLA "leaderships" were a bunch of rotten gangsters backed by imperialism. There is nothing much more repulsive in this world than to condemn an entire mass movement by their illusions in their mis-leaderships, even to the point of demonizing entire peoples. This is exactly the divide and conquer method of imperialism. One cannot, in the name of "realism", "socialist" or otherwise (allusion intended) copy and adopt the methods of our enemies at no cost: such methods are invariably an extended expression of the class and social essence of imperialism. This is the difference in principle between actual and make-pretend anti-imperialists. It can be reduced to one of those pat formulas our opponents love so much: "Anti-imperialist in form, Pro-imperialist in essence". Lenin's Tomb has generally had a good take on this - Note that Wallerstein was overoptimistic here concerning Russia and China: "As if I didn't see this coming a mile off: 10 in favour, zero against, five abstentions. So the vote went exactly as predicted. "The resolution 1973/2011 is adopted.," says the chairman. "This could get very ugly. The resolution authorizes a whole series of military measures short of ground invasion, including air strikes. The worst case scenarios? Not that air strikes will kill civilians - that is absolutely guaranteed, and thus constitutes an aspect of even the best case. Not that the war will escalate - that is not a dead cert, but a strong probability. However, it's also unlikely to involve a ground invasion, which I need hardly say would be catastrophic. The worst case scenario seems to be that this will fuel the centrifugal forces tending toward partition between a 'Western' allied statelet in the east, and a rump dictatorship in the west. Qadhafi has spent years deliberately 'underdeveloping' the east to punish these regions and tribal federations for their tendency toward rebelliousness, leaving towns and cities that should be as rich as those in the Gulf states desperately poor, surrounded by shantytowns and slums - and so he has laid the material basis for such divisions. Imperialism creates divisions where none existed before (look at Iraq). This is how it always operates. So it's implausible that where there already are such divisions, and where such divisions have a direct bearing on the conflict underway, that imperialist intervention would not exacerbate them. This may be the worst thing that could possibly have happened to the Libyan revolution. That's a worst-case scenario. "The best-case scenario is that people are killed to little avail, and the former regime elements in the transitional leadership have just diverted energies and initiative down a blind alley. I suppose you might object that the best-case scenario is that the air strikes exclusively kill the bad guys, turning the initiative in favour of the revolutionaries, allowing them to sieze power, build a liberal democratic state, and the cavalry heads home. And the band played, 'Believe it if you like'. Look, I'd like to believe it. I'd also like to believe that Obama is a socialist, Hillary Clinton a feminist, and David Cameron a salesman for unsecured personal loans. But the occasions in which imperialism has directly assisted a revolutionary process are rather infrequent, wouldn't you say? In fact, I suspect you'd be struggling if I asked you to name one. "I'm also afraid that all the talk about the inaction, delaying, dilly-dallying and procrastination of the 'international community', not to mention the demonology about Russia and China obstructing the good guys once again, has played straight into a very familiar war narrative. Just when you've uttered your last "but why won't they DO something?", just when you're about to give up and lapse into foul depression, the good guys come to the rescue. It's like 1941 all over again. There was never any doubt, as far as I'm concerned, that the US would support a no-fly zone if it could be suitably internationalized and involve support from the miserable dictatorships of the Arab League. And no one will be tasteless enough to point out that those very same states are currently butchering their populations with the arms and financial assistance of the imperial powers commanding this coalition of the willing. Because that would just be sour grapes." >From "Angry Arab": Libyan Opposition "The Libyan people have been betrayed. Their revolution against the Libyan tyrant has been hijacked by US and Saudi Arabia. That lousy henchman for Qadhdhafi, Mustafa Abd-Al-Jalil, is now a Saudi stooge who hijacked the uprising on behalf of a foreign agenda. I mean, what do you expect from a man who until the other day held the position of Minister of Justice in Qadhdhafi's regime, for potato's sake. And don't you like it when Western media constantly refer to him as "the respected Libyan minister of Justice." Respected by who? By Western governments." Posted by As'ad AbuKhalil -Matt ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com