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Solidarity, T -----Original Message----- >From: marxism-requ...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu >Sent: May 8, 2011 2:00 PM >To: Thomas F Barton <thomasfbar...@earthlink.net> >Subject: Marxism Digest, Vol 91, Issue 20 > >Send Marxism mailing list submissions to > marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > marxism-requ...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > marxism-ow...@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Marxism digest..." > > >====================================================================== >Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >====================================================================== > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already > dead (Louis Proyect) > 2. Re: Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were already > dead (S. Artesian) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 13:01:57 -0400 >From: Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> >To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition > <marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu> >Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were > already dead >Message-ID: <4dc6cc85.9050...@panix.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 5/8/11 12:53 PM, S. Artesian wrote: > >> Wait a minute, I submit an evaluation, somebody responds by saying >> that's interesting what do you mean; I expand--- and you get your >> knickers in a twists because I take exception to your sympathy for >> popular front figureheads? >> > >Okay, let's get down to the essentials. You are basically putting >forward an argument that the other side in the debate is reformist. You >have been doing this in one form or another in the 10 years you have >been on this mailing list. > >NOBODY ELSE DOES THIS. > >Frankly, the main reason I have tolerated this is because you are not a >member of a sect. If you included a sig like "The Pannekoek >Circles--Revolutionary", you would have been unsubbed long ago. > >The last time you unsubbed, around the time I dropped Lippmann, the >level of vituperation on this mailing list dropped off precipitously. I >found myself quite pleased with this development and will do everything >in my power to maintain it. > >Understand? > >If you want to fight reformism, I invite you to do it elsewhere. Or, if >you are going to do it, you have to understand that there is a definite >time-limit because the longer it goes on, the more that temperatures >rise--including my own. As someone who has the ultimate power over this >mailing list, that is all that matters in the final analysis. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 13:17:24 -0400 >From: "S. Artesian" <sartes...@earthlink.net> >To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition" > <marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu> >Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he >were > already dead >Message-ID: <E641508B9C7844A4BB757EF9ECDBB11D@dmsthinkpad> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >I didn't say anything about "reformism." You're the one expressing >ambivalence and equivocation about Allende. > >I was simply arguing, although I don't expect you to grasp since I am only >too familiar with how your eyses glaze over and your hearing stops as soon >as the words "accumulation" and "capital" appear, that this sort of >"anti-imperialism" that lines up with the renter-state govts against the >emergence of class struggle is part and parcel of the inadequacy of such an >ideology to apprehend what is going on in the world economy. > >As for the rest of your patriotic, and I do mean patriotic blatherings-- >that's a hoot-- vituperation dropped-- and then... and then why Nestor >dropped out and Fred Fuentes dropped out without the slightest input from >me.... and people were accusing others of supporting NATO attacks >blahblahblah.... and I remained comfortably silent, amused by the death >agony of the anti-imperialists. > >Understand? Here's what I understand. You're a jerk. Always have been, >always will be. Les could have a full-time reminding you of your chronic >schmuckiness. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Louis Proyect" <l...@panix.com> >To: <sartes...@earthlink.net> >Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 1:01 PM >Subject: Re: [Marxism] Should we treat Perez Bocerra as though he were >already dead > > >> ====================================================================== >> Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> ====================================================================== >> >> >> On 5/8/11 12:53 PM, S. Artesian wrote: >> >>> Wait a minute, I submit an evaluation, somebody responds by saying >>> that's interesting what do you mean; I expand--- and you get your >>> knickers in a twists because I take exception to your sympathy for >>> popular front figureheads? >>> >> >> Okay, let's get down to the essentials. You are basically putting forward >> an argument that the other side in the debate is reformist. You have been >> doing this in one form or another in the 10 years you have been on this >> mailing list. >> >> NOBODY ELSE DOES THIS. >> >> Frankly, the main reason I have tolerated this is because you are not a >> member of a sect. If you included a sig like "The Pannekoek >> Circles--Revolutionary", you would have been unsubbed long ago. >> >> The last time you unsubbed, around the time I dropped Lippmann, the level >> of vituperation on this mailing list dropped off precipitously. I found >> myself quite pleased with this development and will do everything in my >> power to maintain it. >> >> Understand? >> >> If you want to fight reformism, I invite you to do it elsewhere. Or, if >> you are going to do it, you have to understand that there is a definite >> time-limit because the longer it goes on, the more that temperatures >> rise--including my own. As someone who has the ultimate power over this >> mailing list, that is all that matters in the final analysis. >> >> ________________________________________________ >> Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu >> Set your options at: >> http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/sartesian%40earthlink.net >> > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Marxism mailing list >Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu >http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism > > >End of Marxism Digest, Vol 91, Issue 20 >*************************************** ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
