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I never stated that the Syrian people do not have a right to defend themselvesagainst brutal force from al-Assad mercenaries and loyalists attackingcivilian centers. What I said was that Marxists and all those who oppose imperialism,should not support France, Britain, United States, Turkey and Israelmilitaries attacking Syria. Obviously there will be a growing armedresistance to Bashar al-Assad's reign - but that needs to be done by the Syrians and not to support any imperialists military actions. A serious person can not ignore the bloodshed of Syrians takingplace, or can one ignore the reasons for this bloodshed, based onreligion - and flamed by the imperialists to distable and weakenSyria. If you believe that an imperialist military intervention will benefitthe Syrian people, please understand history's lessons on this -and re-think where this view and real policies and actions willlead to. It will not be a better government as we can witnessin both Iraq and Yugoslavia today. When a large power's military destroys or weakens another nation'smilitary, it strengthens imperialism - and encourgaes their furtherintervening in the internal situation of other nations. Did we notsee European colonialism spread around the world and earlierempires in this world - and always with some nice justification oftheir helping the unfortunate local peoples! One can not ignore U. S. imperialism as the major threat toworld peace and real justice and it only seeking strategic gainsfor world domination and not to support anyones rights or endlocal terror. It uses words and implies betterment, but deliversexploitation and death. It follows the British Colonial model andonly modernizes with some language but maintains the realpower of a large military dominant force. The U. S. militaryis not a liberating force comrade! I am also sorry to see peopledie and suffer under the al-Assad regime - but Syria is notcurrently expanding naval forces in the Pacific Ocean to preparefor military confrontation against China and it is the U. S. militarypartner Israel that most wants to destroy the Syrian military. Anyone living inside an imperialist nation must separate theirstatus from what the imperialist nation is doing to many otherpeople throughout the world - and not just look at only onenation, but see the bigger picture - of who benefits. Marxists and those struggling against injustice must always look at whobenefits and who is harmed or bettered by events and actions.There is no defense for U. S. imperialism's military weaponryand there is no excuse to not understand the strategic purposefor What comes from these military forces and actions. It willlikely not a better situation for most Syrians under Hillary Clinton'srule than Bashar al-Assad. Or do you believe her words andignore her nation's deeds? > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:13:55 -0700 > From: clayc...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Marxism] North Star shows the way to imperialist intervention > To: causecollec...@msn.com > > > > > You are very quick to say what we should oppose, namely imperialist > intervention, fine. But do you have any proposal that doesn't require > Syrians to keep dying as long as he is willing to kill them. > > I say again: *There can be no meaningful relief for the Syrian people > short of an armed response to Assad's violence.* All else is a sham that > allows his slaughter to continue. > > "the big boy imperialists are the even bigger threat to peace and human > rights" than Assad. I don't think many Syrians would agree with you > right now. If you don't understand why, go to Douma and maybe it will > hit you. > ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com