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Well, that's an age old question for sure. Co-ops and communes and
stuff have existed for a long time going back to the era of "utopian
socialism" in the early and mid-19th century. Ultimately, however, as
Marx and Engels realized and as further amplified by Lenin, the
question of social hegemony and state power will ineluctably present
itself.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Daniel Rocha <danieldi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Consider a self management movement, with cooperatives, where people
> democratically control the surplus. Mondragon and others.
> In the overall scheme of things, this is a marginal part of capitalism, in
> the same way that the earliest capitalists, master artisans with intensive
> manufactures, lived as parts of the feudal system to supply the nobility.
>
> At some point, where the older regime falls, generally with war or
> violence. It's always like this,like the passage from slavery to feudalism
> in the migration ("barbaric invasion") period, when the roman empire fell.
> From feudalism to capitalism, like Meiji Era or French Revolution.
>
> So, why not with socialism. It gradually grow in economic importance of
> cooperatives with the climax with a bloody revolution?
>
> It seems that there is some ideological conflict between autogestion
> promoters and party vanguardists. But, seeing in the way things happened
> before, they should be complementary aspects of a socialist revolution.
> What's more, instead of waiting for a capitalist crisis to increase the
> chances of a revolution, the socialists would themselves be a cause of
> crisis among capitalists.
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