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Thanks both of you! Neil and Juan have each provided more than enough solid facts to use during any day-after "did you hear the great news?" conversations. (I'll leave aside their illusions in China/individual options respectively.) On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Bond <pb...@mail.ngo.za> wrote: > On 2014/11/12 07:22 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote: > > I would have expected by now many progressive critiques of what seems to be > a uniform mainstream gushing over this deal > > > It takes a bit of time to digest this kind of news and find the devil in > the details. (Similarly, has anyone found anything about Obama's support > for net neutrality that we should know?) > > But here's one reply, by activist Neil Tangri: > Neil Tangri <https://www.facebook.com/neil.tangri?fref=nf> > OK, details are still extremely sketchy, but here are my initial > impressions. Thoughts? > > The good: 1. China is getting serious and actually intends to peak > emissions in the next 15 years -- huge news, given their emissions & rate > of increase. 2. Any movement in international climate policy is better than > none at this point. > > The bad: 1. The targets are too weak and too late compared to what we > need. 2. There's no reason to think that the US will hit its (weak) targets. > > The ugly: 1. Obama is apparently trying to show that voluntary, bilateral > climate deals "work", eliminating the need for a binding multilateral deal > in Paris in 2015. Given that the UNFCCC has been dead in the water for 20+ > years, this isn't much of a loss. > > 2. This agreement does nothing to help developing countries manage a just > transition, pay for loss & damages, mitigate & adapt. > > The hope: Unlike the Americans, the Chinese leadership understands the > science and knows it needs to bring the rest of the world along. China is > the one country that has enough diplomatic firepower to change the > international dynamic -- if it decides to do so. > > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
