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On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Roger Annis via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > The head of the Ukraine armed forces says that his army is not fighting > Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. But what would he know? > Here is a more detailed answer that is completely in line with my brief answer that you referred to as pretzel logic: http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2015/02/12/james-meek/what-does-russia-want/ There is a dangerous false assumption at the heart of the West’s > negotiations at, and reporting of, peace talks in Minsk over the fighting > in eastern Ukraine. It is that Russia wants to have direct control over a > small area of Ukraine – about 3 per cent of the country; the area, slightly > smaller than Kuwait, now under separatist rule – and that Ukrainian forces > are fighting to win this area back. > > You can’t blame Western negotiators or journalists for thinking this is > what is going on, because it’s what the Ukrainians are bound to tell them. > That doesn’t mean it is the underlying truth. The evidence so far is that > what Russia actually wants is indirect influence over the whole of Ukraine, > and for the West to pay for it. > > President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine cannot admit this publicly; he would > find it hard to admit it privately. But Ukraine lost the war to keep the > far east of the country last summer, in a little reported series of battles > on the frontier. Ukrainian border guards, and troops trying to enforce > control of the border, came under massive artillery barrages from the > Russian side of the border. They couldn’t fire back into Russian territory > without inciting a full-scale Russian military assault. Accordingly they > were massacred, or they surrendered, or they ran away. > > Ever since, a large section of the border has been under > Russian-separatist control. As long as Ukraine can’t lob shells into > Russia, and Russia is prepared to lob shells into Ukraine, that is how it > will stay. > Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
