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Proyect wrote; So what kind of party do we need? One that proclaims the need for rupture? Such a party exists. Actually two of them exist: KKE and Antarsya. But the support for them is negligible. The fact that only 5 percent of those voting "no" in the referendum expected that if such a vote it would lead to a Grexit, either bourgeois or proletarian, is something that the left has to grapple with. Indeed, the highest preference according to party lines for leaving the eurozone is from ANEL and Golden Dawn. Only 5 percent of Syriza voters expressed a desire to leave the eurozone. Maybe the Greeks should consider Brecht's advice: the government should dissolve the people and elect another. ************* Maybe a party that can, at minimum, decide on a rational course of action and campaign for it rather than merely reflect the immediate wishes of the electorate, especially when those wishes--to reject austerity and remain within the Eurozone--are mutually incompatible. Eurozone, thy name is austerity! It would have helped a lot had the Syriza leadership been clear on this from the beginning, and not sown illusions about persuading the Eurocrats to become something other than what they fundamentally and irreducibly are. And maybe only 5% of No voters favored leaving the euro, but ALL of them voted against the austerity package that the Syriza leadership is now in the process of ramming down their throats. It is unclear how the majority would have decided if an either/or choice had been clearly put to them, although they overwhelmingly voted No despite threats from the "institutions" and the Greek media that their choice would amount to leaving. The Syriza leadership is now undemocratically imposing upon the people a course that they have shown themselves to oppose even more than a Grexit. What kind of party does Greece need? Surely NOT the kind of party that Syriza has shown itself to be. Seymour is right. Syriza is now nothing more than a PASOK Mark 2. It is dead! And the future of Podemos is not bright. The best thing that can come from this debacle is the formation of a new party from the leftwing members that will perhaps split from Syriza, and other leftist parties or members of them who do not share Tsipras's view that an indefinite future of poverty and national humiliation are preferable to the trials of life outside the Euro Jim _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com