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I just finished the Panitch/Gindin article and came here to rant (and to bemoan Gindin's participation; I expected better of him given his decades of grassroots labor work), but Gary and Michael have said it all. Can I quote you both on Facebook? (all these messages are visible anyway on the web :) On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Michael Yates via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > Hear! Hear! Gary. I am afraid that Leo and Sam seem to be getting wronger > on so many issues the older they get. Whatever happened to their mantra > about building people's capacities, or at least trying to do so? Also, > there is lot of what we might call historical amnesia. Too many people say > that all left projects have failed because they were doomed to fail. And > this is because their adversaries were just too powerful. This is surely an > incorrect method of analysis. Why were the Bolsheviks doomed to fail? Why > was the restoration of capitalism in China inevitable? Why was Greece > doomed to make the most awful capitulations to the troika? It seems that > critics of what one man called the "ultra-left," meaning not sectarians but > all to the left of Syriza, look at everything after the fact, and say, > well, no wonder they failed. Not because they failed to make a detailed and > sophisticated of the forces at play and plan to find the best was to combat > their enemy's power, but because, well, their adversaries were just too > damned powerful. As this same guy said, "The fucking Germans, man." Best to > give in and wait for a better day. Of course, the better day usually never > comes, and we find ourselves facing the grave. But let one of us say that > they failed to do what needed to be done, and we are accused of looking at > things through technicolor glasses. Or told that we didn't read the polls > taken to see what people thought at some point in time, never realizing > that life is lived in a dynamic and ever-changing context, one in which > politicls always comes into play. > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
