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Phil It might be the Irish in me that objects to the "butchers' apron" but I welcome the abandonment of the Union Jack even if it is only in the corner. There are symbols and symbols, as you well know. I recall wrestling with a fascist thug in the 70 to protect the red flag. Well to be honest I twisted his finger! But it was not only about symbols. As for your other remarks about the parlous state of the NZ working class and the push to enfold them all into the modern nation, I agree of course. Still what we are seeing is a split between conservatives and neoliberal radicals. Here in Australia it is manifesting itself with a revival of the Australian Republican movement. comradely Gary On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > The NZ flag features the Union Jack in the top left corner with the rest of > the flag being the southern corss constellation, very, very similar to > Australia's. They have one more star on theirs. > > As part of the modernisation of NZ capitalist society, prime minister John > Key initiated a flag discussion and two referenda. > > A bunch of alternative flags have been created, with a 'representative' > panel of NZers going through these and whittling the laternatives down to > 4. This has been done. Next there will be a public referendum to find the > most popular of these four. Then there will be a further referendum in > which the winner will be pitted against the existing flag. > > What's going on? > > https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/redlines-guide-to-a-new-kiwi-flag/ > > Phil > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/gary.maclennan1%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com