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So, you are saying this is ok? That women deserve this because some cultures have deep-seated sexism? And to find it abhorrent is racist? On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:14 PM, A.R. G via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > I can't say I'm happy with the narrative Dennis is giving us. The author of > the Daily Beast article that has been posted is written by the head of an > anti-Muslim thinktank, Quilliam. Quilliam sports former Nazis and other > trashy anti-immigrant types. He has also co-written a book with anti-Muslim > "new atheist" Sam Harris. That may not negate his point of view but it > should be indicative of where his concerns lie. > > The fact that men would carry out such a horrible act anywhere is > deplorable. But you'll notice how Nawaz is playing into the narrative that > the rape was something to do with culture. > > For starters, many of the stories are exaggerated, mimicking the racialized > propaganda about the black rape threat to white women that was and still is > circulated by white supremacists. From what I can piece together from > accurate sources, there were 20-30 hooligans at a party of 1,000 people > that began groping and in some cases raping women. The only thing that made > it remotely about "culture" was the complexion of some of the attackers. > > The rape reminded me of what goes on in Us fraternities, at some rock n > roll concerts, etc. It is gross and fucked up, and yet it appears that the > defining features of such incidents are young men in raucous environments > that do not respect women. Nawaz' comments about people in third workd > countries grabbing women as they like, outside of being a very strange > distortion, does not appear to have any relevance here other than to > suggest that when young Arab men behave as their white counterparts do, > that their heritage -- not widespread sexism in party and youth culture -- > is blameworthy. > > The simple reality is that North African societies, like most societies, > have deep-seated patterns of sexism, but those patterns do not exist in a > void. Incidents like the one in Cologne should not be used to drive this > kind of narrative. > > On Saturday, January 9, 2016, Dennis Brasky via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > > ***************************************************************** > > > > Germany’s welcoming euphoria at receiving 1.1 million asylum seekers in > > 2015 > > < > > > http://news.yahoo.com/germany-recorded-1-1-mn-asylum-seekers-2015-093542978.html > > > > > may have just turned a similarly dark corner. More than 120 criminal > > complaints have been filed by women in Cologne > > < > > > http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/01/05/1-000-men-coordinated-sexual-assault.html > > > > > who say they were subjected to public sexual assault or robbery, > including > > at least two alleged street rapes, all in one night. The 400 men accused > of > > being behind this mass attack > > < > > > http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html > > > > > formed coordinated rings around the women. They have been universally > > described as being of North African and Arab appearance. Police are > > examining > > < > > > http://www.ksta.de/politik/sotenoch-kein-taeter-vom-koelner-hauptbahnhof,15187246,33198026.html > > > > > Internet forums and chat groups on the working assumption that it is > > unlikely 400 men just met by accident. > > > > Though this all occurred on New Year’s Eve, the absolute scandal is that > we > > only found out about it five days later. Amid accusations that it > > deliberately covered the incident up in order not to spark panic, the > > public broadcaster ZDF was forced to issue an apology > > < > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12085182/Cover-up-over-Cologne-sex-assaults-blamed-on-migration-sensitivities.html > > > > > for failing to include the assaults in its main evening news broadcast. > It > > appears that, as the authorities and the media were choosing between > > stirring up racial tension and these women’s rights, we were faced with a > > conspiracy of silence. > > > > full: > > > > > http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/08/why-we-can-t-stay-silent-on-germany-s-mass-sex-assaults.html > > _________________________________________________________ > > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > > Set your options at: > > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > > > > -- > - Amith > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/klmccook%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
