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I've been promoting online the several education for socialist bulletins on what fascism is and how to fight it (as well as Trotsky's pamphlet of the same name). Here's one which looks at different approaches - Cannonite and Shachtmanite - toward a fascist rally in L.A. in 1946). It seems to me there are parallel methodological differences today, even if the specific tactical choices vary (as well as the fact that Trump doesn't lead an organized fascist band). https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/swp-us/education/antifascism/weiss.htm On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Andrew Pollack <acpolla...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks to those contributing to this thread who stressed the role of > leadership with tactical savvy. > Today's Socialist Worker has an article which unfortunately doesn't > display such savvy: > http://socialistworker.org/2016/03/14/how-chicago-dumped-trump > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Clay Claiborne <clayc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I think provoking Trumpette violence can be tactically stupid. But I also >> think the UIC violence came mainly from Trump's people. No matter, he used >> it to his advantage. It will probably help in in Illinois on Tues. I'm sure >> he see's it that way. >> >> Trump is from the Assad/Putin school of politics - namely fascism - which >> means they are all master con men and dirty tricksters, Trump will use >> "Left" violence at his rallies the same way Putin & Assad use "terrorism" >> >> I suspect the secret service scramble the next day was entirely staged - >> what do we know about the guy that jumped the bike rack? Have some SS >> agents made a "deal" with Trump? Are they the "law enforcement" that >> advised Trump to cancel the rally or was it that Arizona sheriff? >> >> Clay Claiborne, Director >> Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> >> Linux Beach Productions >> Venice, CA 90291 >> (310) 581-1536 >> >> Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> >> <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> >> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism < >> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: >> >>> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >>> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >>> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >>> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >>> ***************************************************************** >>> >>> >>> This is not a leading question, it's an honest attempt at clarity: >>> Of the people of color or other anti-Trumpers who were pushed around, >>> beaten, threatened etc. at Trump events: what percent were inside the >>> events? >>> I am NOT saying they deserved it, whether inside or out. >>> I AM saying that if a Trumper came to a progressive event and started >>> yelling, we would usher them out, perhaps even with force. >>> And I AM saying that in the battle against right-wingers, defensive >>> formulations matter. >>> Physically stopping (with help from the pavement) attacks on our picket >>> lines, meetings, mosques, etc., is essential. As is proactively building >>> the movements which Trumpers would love to crush. >>> But provoking Trumpette violence is just tactical stupidity. >>> Opinions? >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >>> Set your options at: >>> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/clayclai%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
