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Manuel Barrera said: In reply to Clayborne and others who seem to think they "know" what and how Black and Brown youth "should" be doing about this racist Trump campaign (from my reply to Partido on Facebook): The Marxmail discussion is an exercise in theoretical posturing: essentially, old people telling young people that they should've had more "leadership" and, then from there, nothing. The implication is that somehow the young black and brown activists along with the well-established coalition-building left in Chicago should have not fallen into a trap (right, no real strategy about what do next, just don't fall into a trap, as if the trap of supporting Sanders weren't already a big one). I doubt Trump is all that Machiavellian or even conscious, but assuming he is, what exactly do "we" think Black and Brown youth should have done instead than respond with mass action?! Politely seek a "dialogue"? What is happening now in response to Trump's racist tirades is young people refusing to be silent. Period. Would there have been a "leadership" (apparently according to some on Marxmail, that seems to mean them) to be more "strategic" about it begs credulity and, moreso guts to have engaged " silent protest". Trump may not be as serious about his racism, but his followers, mostly frustrated White people fearing the end of their privilege in the world, seem very serious in promoting racial hatred and xenophobia. Do you really believe it best to follow King's passivity as a strategy over Malcolm's regarding organized self-defense? At a time when Trump promotes the beating of people of color at his rallies? What exactly do you think should be enough to begin mounting a defense and POLITICAL ACTION to counter this rather overt racist threat? I have called for every living democrat--inside, outside, and opposition to the Democratic and Republican parties--to stand up and come to the defense of the right to protest Trump's racist, xenophobic calls to begin what amounts to Apartheid for Muslims and Brown people as well as the continued repression of the Black community. We should support Sanders' rallies from being disrupted by the racist Trump followers even as we may oppose S anders' candidacy. We should participate in ! the mass actions organized against Trump's rallies so that our experience can be heard and a movement can truly emerge from this otherwise spectator sport called the bourgeois elections. Maybe this Trump threat will come to nothing. But do we really wish to exhort young people for their "exuberance" while just standing on the sidelines bemoaning how "wrong" they are? My time may be past to lead this charge, but I will be damned if I criticize these brave fighters for doing what they believe must be done and what we KNOW has to be prepared. In other words, if y'all have a better way, get out and help them do it! Or just shut up and be grateful that Chi-Town, Kansas City, and I really hope other cit Ken Hiebert: The debate as I understand it is not for or against mass action, but whether mass action should include going Trump's rallies to disrupt them. Perhaps there are some who are against even demonstrating, but i can't think of anyone in this discussion who has argued that view. I want to agree with two things in your last paragraph. These are brave fighters and we should get out and help them do it. _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
