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Foster is not being "denigrated" for his principal contribution to ecosocialism - upholding and elaborating of Marx's notion of "metabolic rift". Rather, what is objectionable is Foster's sectarian misrepresentation of other valuable contributions by Jason W. Moore. See the Angus/Foster interview and my Comment at http://climateandcapitalism.com/2016/06/06/in-defense-of-ecological-marxism-john-bellamy-foster-responds-to-a-critic/ On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Ratbag Media via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > I don't know about all this... > > I think 'metabolic rift' is EXTREMELY useful as a means to continue > the dialectical materialism of of Stephen Jay Gould and the > Dialectical Biologists. > Indeed I think it grounds all the business about historical > materialism which so often is ruled by supposition and second > guessing...and so often arrogantly schematic by Marxian wannabees. > Ecological and other sciences in the Soviet Union did outlast --for a > time -- the Stalinist purges/censoring --as exemplified by the > perspective of the historical psychology of Lev Vygotsky and Alexander > Luria and the Soviet's advances in physics...and ecology. > > Indeed, getting back to Foster, the whole metabolic rift argument > merges with the current dynamic of not only the green movement but > climate science. While Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis is rooted in a lot > of idealism, if the Marxist movement had been more attuned to ecology > back when it was first proposed, we could have negotiated a sharper > ecosocialist shift than what we have been treated from within the > green movement. > > Indeed Barry Commoner is way outside the Marxist lazy bones on this > issue... 'We' missed the boat. > > To now denigate Foster seems petty as he makes very clear that the > tradition he embraces is rooted in biology and paleontology and > ecology...and not Marxmail. > > 'Metabolic Rift' is a great way to comprehend the fossil fueling and > organic thieving of capitalism -- especially when so many seek to > divert attention to ethicism. I don't think it is an argument > promoting 'balance' -- a boutique greenoid buzz term -- so much as a > process ruled by the give and take of exploitation and the necessity > of organic return. > > It is the same dynamic that drives Engel's 'Dialectics of Nature' . > > Whatever may be Foster's other positions being here ruled on -- > personal depreciation is hardly an argument re the main game. > > dave riley > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/fred.r.murphy%40gmail.com > -- Fred Murphy | 12 Dongan Place #206 | New York, NY | 212-304-9106 _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
