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I've never seen so many non sequiturs, debater's tricks, and irrelevant off-topic remarks in such a short contribution. Saying that science under capitalism is twisted by the profit motive tells you NOTHING without serious research into how science's various branches are each twisted in their own way and time as they interact with particular branches of the system and those branches' elites. Rambling about bad white scientists in the abstract dodges the issue - and does a disservice to the real issues at hand. For instance: how do non-Western notions of holistic systems and beliefs relate to conceptions of convergence - and how does that manifest itself in different fields? I'd suggest we look to Joseph Needham to begin answering that but then he's a white male. _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com