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Now we're talking about some real wisdom! I'm down here in Providence walking on eggshells because everyone is extremely antsy for what amounts to nothing more of less than Nazi Wrestle-Mania. The problem is a lack of understanding of history. I pointed out how the Left has a repeated habit of collaboration with the state in dress rehearsals of what later end up being the means to take them out, case and point being the CPUSA support for the Smith Act trials of SWP. Even if the black bloc/antifa crowd (and we need to recognize those two things as tactics rather than organizations) have a moral point, they don't have a pragmatic one. Their entire modus operandi actually does have a dependence on the state and is not suggesting a black hole of nothingness to replace the current state of affairs they oppose. In fact what they do is argue that the state should and could be implementing restrictions to hinder devices and actions that are currently protected by the state. In the final analysis, it comes down to the fact that the current anarchist scene (with the exception of autonomists who follow CLR James and his thought) is missing the ideas Marx put forward in his critique of the Gotha program, particularly the line “Freedom consists in converting the state from an organ superimposed upon society into one completely subordinate to it." Peter Huddis has said that the whole Marx-Bakunin thing is a huge mess that sows unnecessary discord. Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:06:00 -0400 From: "Louis N. Proyect" <l...@columbia.edu> To: marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] Boston and Vancouver, models for the anti-fascist struggle Message-ID: <cafc2tu1furl4ivez3fvxmeonnzcscyukagxazff+c3przpr...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" https://louisproyect.org/2017/08/20/boston-and-vancouver- models-for-the-anti-fascist-struggle/ -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com