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Regarding the points raised by RKOB: All the nationalist leaders of the oppressed Kurdish people had a very simple choice to make early on. They could make an appeal to and link up with the working class in their respective countries (Turkey, Iran, etc.).... or not. It's entirely possible that none of them intended to end up relying on US, or French, or any other imperialist power. But politics has a funny way of sending leaders down a road that, at times, they never intended to travel. Once they took the road of pure nationalism, minus a class perspective and minus an international class perspective, and once they'd traveled down that road for a time, then it was too late to go back. They were forced to end up where they are - relying on one imperialist power or another. Well, that's a bit of an overreach. In the case of the PYD, I think what's most likely is that they will end up relying on Assad, who's not exactly the head of an imperialist power, but his government is no better. Meanwhile, the PYD is also denying that that's where they are. Here's an interesting comment from Salih Muslim, diplomatic relations co-chair of the PYD: “They [the US troops] weren’t here to protect us in any case. We rely on our own strength and defense. We are at a point of legitimate self defense. That much has never been lacking. It is their business to decide whether they stay or go. Our interests coincided, we acted together, but we never relied on them.” (See the full article here: https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/muslim-we-didn-t-call-them-we-re-not-sending-them-away-31568?fbclid=IwAR3PVZl1xWNpU643hhUPd_5t42ezvY8bDzNFFNlY8Chgb5M6oe3tVGU3Fag ) I think the comment is made for internal consumption as well as for consumption of his international supporters, because it's clearly BS. John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com