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"It is about organizing our class around all their struggles, including basic things like unions." Oh, the AFL-CIO isn't mouth-on-tit with the Dems? News to me! I agree a presidential campaign must be merely a catalyst for a larger organizational project that is about a wider social movement. Norman Thomas made this point in an interview: <https://youtu.be/r7VJ8niFPa4> But to suggest a struggle for basic needs is synonymous with organizing institutions beholden to the duopoly is ridiculous. If anything it needs to build a project that is directly oppositional to the auxiliaries of the duopoly, meaning caucuses of the Democrats such as the AFL-CIO's political endorsement process. Unions in America furthermore have not been about radical solidarity since the passage of the National Labor Relations Act, instead they have been about increasing worker purchase power as a component of the free market capitalist system, something Reuther described in detail in 1958 <https://youtu.be/Pfmc-MjCY9g>. So spare me the revolutionary pap about a reformist project. And again, I repeat, who exactly ARE you organizing? -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:18:41 -0700 From: DW <dwalters...@gmail.com> To: Andrew Stewart via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bernie Sanders Is in Trouble - POLITICO Magazine - Actually We Are in trouble Message-ID: <CAA0cW=_adjetp6_hfmzkwsgz4wdsqkc7a_brj8zuq4qqcuo...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Andrew, it's not about organizing actively for a political candidate at all...that is crass electoralism that really has little to do with radical oganizing at all, IMHO. It is about organizing our class around all their struggles, including basic things like unions. That the center of this should be elections is really pointing people in the wrong direction. I'm all for having an electoral component of any organizing campaign, but the former should be in support of the latter. David Walters > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/dwaltersmia%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com