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The argument of the resident misogynists like and Andrew Stewart is basically because *heterosexual men* attack and kill trans-identified males, *women* should give up their spaces! Like the Zionist argument that because white Christian Europeans persecuted and butchered Jews, *Palestinians* should give up their spaces to Jewish people and the Zionist project. The misogynists even copy the Zionist methodology when confronted with women who resist their space being invaded and taken over. When Palestinians resist and other people support them, the charge of "anti-semitism" is hurled. There is no more reason for women to give up their spaces to trans-identified males than there is reason for Palestinians to give up their space to Jewish people. The fact that some men want women to be punished for the sins of the straight men who bash and kill trans people simply reveals a strong strand of misogyny. make the women pay! Andrew claims "bathroom bans lead to sexual assault of trans/genderqueer people". Not women's problem or responsibility. That's men's problem and responsibility. The fact that a few people here are trying to put this onto women reveals a real problem in their attitude to women. And anyone who thinks we are dealing with a liberation movement needs to open their eyes and smell the misogyny. Indeed, violent misogyny permeates trans-identified male attitudes to women. Rape threats, incitement to stabbings, murder threats etc are documented in the hundreds. And, again, our resident misogynists' response is to ignore. excuse and/or enable this violent misogyny. Or they try to shift the goalposts by talking about anti-trans violence, ignoring the fact that it is not gender-critical women who are threatening rape, stabbings, beatings, murder against trans - it is trans-identified males threatening it and inciting it against women. A small sample of the violent misogyny routinely directed at women by trans-identified males: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2019/11/06/the-leftists-enabling-violent-misogyny/e Then, of course, there's the rapey entitlement culture of men claiming to be lesbians and harassing and denouncing actual lesbians who are not interested in them and their penises. Fortunately, there is a growing response on the left against the new misogyny. Some expressions of this on the internet are the Gender Critical Left group of Marxists, anarcho-syndicalists and left social democrats on facebook, a large percentage of which are women; the Gay Men Address Gender Identity group on fb; the LGB Gender Critical Radicals on fb; and others. I won't be engaging with the likes of Andrew Steward, and any other misogynists here. With their super-entitled demands on women they do tend to expose themselves. Phil _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
