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I don't agree with Michael Meeropol that poll numbers mean nothing. Nor does either Trump or Biden. Even in 2016 the poll numbers weren't that far off. They predicted a Clinton victory, and they were right. They just didn't take into account the electoral college distortions. Also, there was another factor: Just slightly over a week before the election, Comey released a statement saying that there was more to investigate regarding Hillary Clinton. That had a significant effect, but it came too late for the polls to show it. As far as voter suppression: I've been commenting on that for some time. However, Trump can only suppress just so much of the votes, and it has to be done on a demographic basis. In other words, he can't pick and choose which individual voters he wants to suppress; he can only suppress votes in, for example, a mainly black precinct. His problem is that now, it's not only college educated younger white voters who are turning against him. Even older voters are, including older whites. And even his lead among non-college educated whites is declining. We should never underestimate the potential of Biden to totally screw things up, nor the possibility that some shock could happen that could transform everything, but Trump made his real move when he tried to get the army to intervene. Once he was stymied there, he was in deep trouble. Not saying the outcome is definite, but he's in trouble. And I think it's ridiculous to think that we'd be in better shape if Clinton had won. No, I didn't vote for her, but the degree that the far right - outright fascists included - has developed under Trump is unprecedented in my lifetime. John Reimann -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com