NG wrote: " Really, S. Artesian, neither did I suggest this that you think I suggested"
Really Nestor, what I stated is based on your statements and LW's. LW said explicitly that both the proletariat and the bourgeoisie were being made stronger in China. The Chinese "nation" is being made stronger, and see China is not a bourgeois nation, but a nation that experienced a revolution that expropriated its bourgeoisie and expelled the international bourgeoisie, I think it's fair to say that LW's statements clearly mean socialism is being strengthened. You yourself wrote: " It is one thing to _use_ capitalism, and a different one to _bow_ to capitalism. The whole thing when it comes to the China debate is whether the Chinese leadership _uses_ capitalism or _bows_ to it, which implies bowing to imperialism. China is not doing the latter. Doing the former, of course, entails the most serious risks. But no serious debate can be held on China if we do not start by the evidence that "the Chinese use the proceeds from their production of consumer goods for extensive investments in the infrastructure", that is they are bringing down to Earth the bourgeois fantasies of the Latin American bourgeoisies. If somebody believes that this has little or nothing to do with the relative weight of the bourgeoisie in the social structures of China and, say, Brazil (or, daresay, India), this is a mistake." You wrote the above lines jumping on LW's bandwagon about the whole thing. The fault is not in my dialectic, but yours. So do you NOT think socialism is being strengthened in China? Do you not think the creation of the SEZ in Guangdong was essential to China's present course? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Néstor Gorojovsky" <[email protected]> To: "David Schanoes" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Voting with feet,not commendable in Argentina Re: China's high speed rail plans, ________________________________________________ YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: [email protected] Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
