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Hi Eli, I read your blogs on this topic and of course I agree. It is mot important to keep up the critiques of Obama. One needs to constantly edge him off the moral high ground that he strives for. Myself thought the whole Nobel prize thing was an absolute disgrace. Though of course the history of the Nobel Peace Prize is hardly inspiring. Tomasky in the Guardian called this Obama's most interesting speech of late, in that it was a thoujghtful piece that appealed to neither the Left or the Right. Reading that made me realise once again why I am not a liberal. They constantly seek to be in the middle -neither left nor right but out in front. Even when no decent middle is available, they still want to try. What is a middle position on Auschwitz? There is no middle position on Afghanistan either. For liberals it functitoned as the "good war" to justify opposition to the war in Iraq. I recall very clearly Juan Cole, for instance, saying that if he were a young man he would volunteer to fight in Afghanistan. I have not read his column lately so I do not know whether he has renounced that shameful piece of rhetoric. However the unspeakable mess that the US of A and its NATO allies have and continue to create in Afghanistan gives the lie to all the shoddy excuses for the invasion. But of course it is not the mess that the Allies have created which will lead to a withdrawal. It will require military setbacks on the ground and a brave peace movement to make the Nobel Laureate rethink his windy rhetoric on the "just" war. regards Gary ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com