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Waistline wrote: " Yet you have nothing to say about the working class movement in America in the here and now and prefer kicking Nestor. Tell me about your independence of the proletariat in America. You write as an imperial chauvinist. It is best you shut up because I am itching for a real fight about real theory and strategy and have enough of your nonsense. In other words I already ..." and some more crap after that. This by waistline makes it for the “pelotudo” post of the day (including the misspelling of Colombia, unless he insists on writing it in English…hmmmm chauvinism, I see) By the way, couldn’t there be some kind of policy against these imbecile flame-war upstarts of "gorilla" (to borrow from Peronism) pseudo-Leninist babble which Gorilovsky and waistline have made examples out of (the former by swearing allegiance to the bourgeoisie.) What is it about them beating their chests in front of the monitor that helps discuss concrete tasks for activists and militants whose hope for a workers’ future is incompatible with radical Keynesianism (whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean… oh wait, I know, it means paying the debt and keep on accumulating capital for the benefit of the bourgeoisie and to keep millions of children starving to death in Argentina)? I suggest that every time someone posts out of nowhere crap like waistline’s above or Nestor’s “murderer” accusation (and since he’s so willing to defend the Kirchner government against the “Leftists” to keep starving children to death, he oughta try the monitor for a mirror) they be banned from the list for some time, so that we can read the more important things backed up by some form objective argumentation, which waistline 'some'-times tries to do. p.s. thanks to comrade S.Artesian for restraining himself of replying to this crap. p.p.s. waistline, I'm from Argentina, I don't live there at the moment, but I did for most of my life. I will of course explain nothing about why I'm here in the US, because it has nothing to do with objective reality, although in Nestor's 'nationalist left' ideology, this is enough to dismiss anything I contribute as "bombastic liberal chatter", mostly because he can't reply, and so he extrapolates trying to imply anyone who doesn’t buy his bullshit is denying the existence of imperialist force, accuses anyone who doesn’t buy his bullshit of murderer, anti-patriot, etc.. This has nothing to do with any sane form of discussion, much less Marxism, which is supposed to be scientific. Unless, unless you think scare-quotes about the “Left” and proclaiming oneself a real ‘nationalist leftist’ has anything to do with the real conditions of the Argentine working class which, contrary to Nestor’s illusions, is consciously starting to realize the scam which a “radical Keynesian” program implies after three decades of waiting for Peron’s resurrection. Unless you obviate the specific form of accumulation in Argentina which makes the tragedy of the debt be the last umbilical cord of the parasitic class which thinks itself progressive, and the lackeys after it. Because, waistline, in Argentina, capitalism is fully developed and to have hopes for “radical Keynesianism” is to be counterrevolutionary. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com