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@Gary, can you tell me where these discussions are, or will I have to “water my mouth” for how the whole of Marx was debunked till the end of my days? In the meantime, maybe you can answer: what is the price of a commodity, without referring to value, or more specifically according to your "lampooning" claims, without referring to labor? @Louis, I wish I could follow along with the jokes, I like jokes, but unfortunately this one just don’t sound really good, maybe try “three Marxists walk into a bar…”? So once again: what is the price of a commodity, without referring to value? I have a pretty objective explanation, but unfortunately it is close to Marx and all his “Talmudic” value coming before the form of realization of the commodity in the market. With your help, however, I should be able to convert myself soon enough to Hilferdingism, where such a form is taken as the content which determines the accumulation of capital, and of course, is only subject to the abstract whim of the capitalist. So, unless you can answer the question (or refer to some literature where this is explained, John Bellamy Foster does not) it kinda makes it look like your evasion reinforces the point that the theory of monopoly capital has this inversion at its core and therefore is destined to move in a world of appearances, which is a criticism beyond its “historical validity”. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com