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So, thinking about science and Marx’s work, (you know how it is when you’re bored,) the picture of Engels’ “Socialism: Scientific and Utopian” came back to me, and then I had a vague remembrance of the last time I talked to Tom in a post related to Rosa Lichtenstein’s “refutation” of dialectics (giggles), when he suddenly accused me of “sectarian”, though it didn’t seem he was following the thread, after which he recommended to me Engels’ “The Origin of the family, private property and the state.” So, Tom, to return the favor, I recommend to you http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm You know, maybe it’ll spurt your interest and maybe you may provide us with some (any) evidence to support your claims against the whole “idealist” work of Marx, how “subjective” conditions determine prices, how Lenin’s Imperialism is exempt from this charge given its popular approach, etc., evidence, science, you know what I mean. It’s not about intellectual elitism; it’s about trying to further an informed, conscious political action ( politics and science? How could those two ever be related? That Marx guy must have been delirious spending years, poverty, his child’s death, to write this most abstruse “critique” of political economy –critique…hah, we all know he was just an economist who made the ‘choice’ to stand on the side of workers, as opposed to Adam Smith who didn't make that choice, so we're all here cuz we've made a choice see...) something which, who knows, maybe, perhaps, goes a little beyond a couple Mao slogans? Else, like my mom says: en boca cerrada, no entran moscas. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com