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Glenn, there's no contradiction between being a worker with one's hands on the means of production and being an intellectual. As the employing class squeezes the working class, and especially the nonwhite section of the working class, new leaders will emerge from the fightback struggle as it develops. These are the REAL intellectuals, and those with whom it is most important that socialists must engage in dialogue. And be sure of one other thing: the education process is not just a one-way process. Socialists like you and me must do as much listening as talking and be open to learning from emerging leaders in the working class and communities of color. We may have read more books, but that doesn't mean that we have all the answers, and the best education is the education that one receives in the course of the struggle. I'm 60 years old now, and I'm not even close to graduating yet. Tom Tom, Wouldn'd you say that intellectual progressives also need to hear the socialist message, or do you think that they can't be reached? glenn ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com