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Vladimiro, in my opinion you are viewing this in a denunciatory and moralistic point of view. that's not a revolutionary tactic... its a liberal tactic. Besides, not all military members are killers... gays have often been found on the frontlines, but are have been historically concentrated in non-combat roles, particularly medics. Most do a tour or two of duty and then are discharged. Most aren't in it for the longterm. Most will return to the normal occupations of the working class along with their experiences. Should straight soliders learn that it's perfectly acceptable to castigate homosexuals? Should gay people learn that they are powerless to resist castigation? With the "economic draft" most have very few choices out of poverty or for education. LGBT are subject to many more pressures in the military due to the likelihood of isolation. Getting dishonorably discharged can be a brutal and crushing way to rejoin civilian life. Revolutionaries during the Vietnam war didn't castigate returning veterans who where fighting a revolutionary civil war didn't castigate and denounce soldiers. That is exactly what the Rightwing in the US has tried to portray has having happened. We helped to organize veterans... the government used them brutally. Their rage contributed to the antiwar mobilizations and toward the building of mass support to end the war. Would you like to go to a meeting of the Iraq Veterans Against the War and suggest that they are murderers and should therefore be ashamed? ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com