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Thanks Paul. Your remarks on the British Labour Party could be applied equally to the Australian Labor Party. Gawd alone knows how one should characterize the Irish version. The last three and more decades of the ruling class offensive have wrecked havoc on the moderates - liberals and social democrats. Anyone whose politics included any sort of deal with the ruling class has been either pulled to the Right or driven into atomisation, demoralisation and despair as has capitalism has become a zero-sum game. When the great slumbering giant that is the working class finally works out that it must protest to survive then we will have a different politics. comradely Gary ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com