New York TIMES / April 3, 2010 
 
Contesting Jobless Claims Becomes a Boom Industry By JASON DePARLE 
 
WASHINGTON — With a client list that reads like a roster of Fortune 
500  firms, a little-known company with an odd name, the Talx Corporation, 
has come  to dominate a thriving industry: helping employers process — and 
fight —  unemployment claims. 
 
Talx, which emerged from obscurity over the last eight years, says it  
handles more than 30 percent of the nation’s requests for jobless benefits.  
Pledging to save employers money in part by contesting claims, Talx helps them  
decide which applications to resist and how to mount effective appeals. 
 
The work has made Talx a boom business in a bust economy, but critics say  
the company has undermined a crucial safety net. Officials in a number of 
states  have called Talx a chronic source of error and delay. Advocates for 
the  unemployed say the company seeks to keep jobless workers from collecting  
benefits. 
 
“Talx often files appeals regardless of merits,” said Jonathan P. Baird, a 
 lawyer at New Hampshire Legal Assistance. “It’s sort of a war of 
attrition. If  you appeal a certain percentage of cases, there are going to be 
those 
workers  who give up.” 
 
When fewer former workers get aid, a company pays lower unemployment taxes. 
 
Wisconsin and Iowa passed laws to curtail procedural abuses officials said  
were common in cases handled by Talx. Connecticut fined Talx and demanded 
an end  to baseless appeals. New York, without naming Talx, instructed staff 
employees  to side with workers in cases that simply pit their word against 
those of agents  for employers. 
 
Talx officials say they have been unfairly blamed for situations caused by  
tight deadlines, confusing state rules or uncooperative employers. Talx 
cannot  submit information about idled workers, they say, until clients give it 
to them.  They say Talx improves the unemployment system’s efficiency by 
mastering the  complexities of 50 state programs, allowing employers to focus 
on their  businesses. 
 
“We can speed the whole process, rather than bog it down,” said Michael E. 
 Smith, a senior Talx executive. “The whole idea is to protect those 
employees  who have lost their job through no fault of their own and make sure 
they get  unemployment insurance.” 
 
Mr. Smith said employers, not Talx, control decisions about which cases to  
contest. “We just do what the client asks us to do and leave it to the 
state to  decide,” he said. 
 
Advocates for the unemployed cite cases like that of Gerald Grenier,  
47, who spent four years as a night janitor at a New Hampshire Wal-Mart and 
 was fired for pocketing several dollars in coins from a vending machine. 
Mr.  Grenier, who is mentally disabled, told Wal-Mart he forgot to turn in 
the  change. Talx, representing Wal-Mart, accused him of misconduct and fought 
his  unemployment claim. 
 
After Mr. Grenier waited three months for a hearing, Wal-Mart did not  
appear. A Talx agent joined by phone, then seemingly hung up as Mr. Grenier  
testified. The hearing officer redialed and left an unanswered message on the  
agent’s voicemail. The officer called Mr. Grenier “completely credible” and 
 granted him benefits. 
 
Talx appealed, claiming the officer had denied the agent’s request to let  
Wal-Mart testify by phone. (A recording of the hearing contains no such  
request.) Mr. Grenier won the appeal, but by then he had lost his apartment and 
 moved in with his sister. 
 
“That was a nightmare,” he said. 
 
In the case of Dina Griess, Talx and its client, the subprime lender  
Countrywide 
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tml?inline=nyt-org) >,  were involved in what a judge deemed an outright 
fraud. Ms. Griess worked for  Countrywide outside Boston and quit as it 
collapsed in 
2008, saying she was  distressed by internal investigations of lending 
practices. People can receive  unemployment benefits if they quit for “good 
cause,” like unsafe working  conditions, but Talx argued that Ms. Griess did 
not 
meet the legal standard. 
 
She won benefits at a hearing that Talx and Countrywide skipped, but Talx  
successfully appealed, saying that the Countrywide witness had missed the  
hearing because of a family death. Later asked under oath if that was true, 
the  witness said, “No, it’s not.” 
 
A Massachusetts judge reviewing the case, Robert A. Cornetta of Salem  
District Court, denounced the deceit. “The court will not be party to a fraud,” 
 he said, in ruling for Ms. Griess. 
 
Despite the large role that Talx and other agents play in a program that  
spent $120 billion last year, the federal Department of Labor has done little 
to  measure their impact. 
 
Talx declined to make clients available to interviews, citing pledges of  
confidentiality, and none of those contacted chose to comment. Other major  
employers that have used Talx include Aetna, Best Buy, FedEx, AT&T,  
Marriott, Home Depot, McDonald’s and the United States Postal Service. (The New 
 
York Times uses Talx for a different service, to answer inquiries from lenders  
about its employees’ earnings.) 
 
Talx entered the business brashly, buying the industry’s two largest  
companies on a single day in 2002. In the next few years, it bought five more.  
Until then, Talx had never handled an unemployment claim, and skeptics 
wondered  how well it could blend seven companies in an unfamiliar industry. 
 
The Federal Trade Commission argued in a 2008 antitrust complaint that the  
acquisitions, which cost $230 million, had allowed Talx to “raise prices  
unilaterally” and “decrease the quality of services.” Talx modified some  
contracts to settle the case, but admitted no legal violations. 
 
Financially, the gamble paid off: Talx was acquired three years ago by  
Equifax, the credit-rating giant, for $1.4 billion. But work once done locally  
became centralized — at a loss, critics say, of responsiveness and 
expertise. 
 
Wisconsin officials were among the first to complain, passing a law in  
2005 to prevent what they called a common Talx practice: failing to respond 
 to requests for information, only to appeal when workers were awarded 
benefits.  That clogged the appeals docket and drained the benefits fund, since 
money sent  to ineligible workers was hard to get back. 
 
While the law brought about quicker participation, said Hal Bergan, the  
state’s unemployment insurance administrator, the company’s overall speed and 
 accuracy “still leaves something to be desired.” 
 
Indeed, years of e-mail messages, obtained through an open records law,  
show a continually exasperated Wisconsin staff. While a few cited improved  
performance, others complained that Talx “returned half-empty questionnaires,”
  sent back “minimal or ‘junk’ info,” reported in error that applicants 
were dead,  filed “frivolous protests” and caused “the holdup of many claims.
” 
 
“Same problems as always,” wrote Amy Banicki, a senior manager, in a  
2008 e-mail message. “Talx is Talx.” 
 
Iowa passed a similar law in 2008 to curtail unnecessary appeals. Of the 10 
 employers who most often appealed after skipping initial hearings, 
officials  said nine were represented by Talx, including Wal-Mart, Cargill and 
Wells Fargo,  Target and Tyson Foods. 
 
Connecticut cited “frivolous motions” and “unnecessary delays” in filing 
a  complaint against Talx under a law that regulates employer agents. 
Without  admitting fault, Talx paid a $12,000 fine and agreed to tell clients 
in 
writing  that it would not file baseless appeals. 
 
While there is no comprehensive research, the Department of Labor did an  
internal study of 2,000 cases in 2007 and found Talx significantly slower and 
 less complete in answering auditors’ questions than employers who handled 
their  own claims. Officials said they did not release the study, which drew 
on seven  states, because they could not ensure it was representative. The 
New York Times  obtained it under the Freedom of Information Act. 
 
Talx supporters say that states impose tight deadlines, often giving Talx  
just a few days to answer requests. They say Talx is working with states to  
develop a common computer format which will help provide the data more 
rapidly,  offering a possible solution for delays. They also say scrutiny of 
claims by  companies like Talx helps deter fraud. 
 
“Increased vigilance is an appropriate thing,” said Douglas J. Holmes,  
president of UWC, a Washington group that represents employers on unemployment 
 issues. “Integrity is important.” 
 
But other say Talx, by promising to save clients money, has an incentive to 
 fight even legitimate claims. In marketing materials, it warns employers 
that “a  single claim can result in a higher tax rate” and promises “we 
deliver increased  winning percentages.” 
 
Joseph Walsh, deputy director of Iowa’s employment security agency, said,  “
We are more likely to see a claim of misconduct that is completely 
unsupported  by the factual record” when agents are involved. 
 
Officials in the New York State Department of Labor were so concerned last  
year about the credibility of agents that they warned staff members against 
 taking their word over that of jobless workers. Absent other evidence, the 
 officials wrote, “give greater weight to the claimant’s statement.” 
 
That guidance was relevant in the case of Genssy Frias, a Bronx woman who  
took a took a maternity leave from a sales job at Lord & Taylor. Ms. Frias  
said that she tried to return but that her supervisor told her she had been 
laid  off. A Talx agent said Ms. Frias quit because she lacked child care. 
 
“We did not hear from her again,” the agent wrote. 
 
New York canceled Ms. Frias’s benefits and accused her of lying. 
 
In an interview, Ms. Frias said the agent had been deceitful, because she  
did not disclose that she worked for Talx and implied first-hand knowledge 
by  using the pronoun “we.” Had she identified herself as an agent, 
officials would  have given her statement less weight. 
 
A Talx spokeswoman said the agent made a clerical error in writing “we” 
and  called it an isolated incident. Lord & Taylor did not respond to requests 
 for comment. 
 
Ms. Frias appealed and presented a babysitter’s note, which vouched that  
she had arranged for child care. Neither Talx nor Lord & Taylor appeared at  
the hearing, and Ms. Frias won. 
 
“I was thinking, how can they lie like that when they know I didn’t quit,” 
 Ms. Frias said. 
 

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