Comrades, I'm not really sure what the correction here is that I am alluding other than the fact of that many years ago when I was more involved with LRNA in more direct ways it was easier to understand their position and that is what I have based my current understanding on and that has led me to an incorrect estimation of their position today. Therefore, I have confused their position today. I am not saying their position is wrong, however, the following quote from LRNA's article, posted by Melvin to me amidst an absurd amount of verbiage and false diatribe finally registered: "Under today's qualitatively new conditions fascism represents the bourgeoisie's struggle to align the superstructure with the changing nature of private property relations. Fascism today seeks to facilitate a whole new world order based on private property without capitalism." (end quote) The first part of this quote of LRNA's analysis is without question. The second sentence is questionable and I did question LRNA on this matter. My best friend and Comrade who is in Chicago and still very actively involved with LRNA was a member of the editorial staff. In our conversation he explained this "concept" of "private property without capitalism". His very first remarks, after his chuckle, was that this "is so abstract that they should not have written it without a detailed explanation" and then went on to tell me that "they (LRNA editorial staff) do not know how this would develop". I then asked this Comrade why they would make such an ambiguous statement if they themselves did not know what they were saying. His response was that he agreed with my assessment and himself has broached this very same criticism to which it fell on deaf ears. He did qualify this quote in saying that this is the very possible dialectical outcome should bourgeois society continue to develop towards fascism. On this point I also agreed but what is the reality is the class struggle in today's society against capitalism and that is his position as well as LRNA's in general. LRNA has no possible explanation as to how fascism can develop into private property without capitalism. It is so vague a concept at the moment that numerous arguements can be made for or against it and most likely all would be neither 100% right or wrong. I feel that LRNA was somewhat negligent in proposing such a statement without any further explanation to support or qualify this statement because as I was told it "should not be taken literally to the point where it becomes an absolute position". I also agreed. Going back to the dialectical possibility of this happening in some way, it makes some sense but then again it does not. One of the questions it poses in my mind is how can such a society even begin to exist wherein private property is maintained by a class without capitalism? I am not willing to split hairs here but capitalism as we know is a social system wherein one class dominates another class and reaps super-profits by exploiting the working-class. I am not willing to go into value and all of that. My comments are generalized. Nevertheless, it is absurd that the ruling-class can have a society in which they maintain private property but without capitalism! It is the nature of capitalism - a society based on exploiting others in order for the other class to realize their profit and wealth. If such a society no longer existed it seems the bourgeoisie could no longer realize their privielges based on wealth and profit because there would be no class working to provide them this wealth through their exploitation! This is such an abstract conception that it is ridiculous. This concept or analysis is based on how capitalist society is becoming more and more computerized and replacing workers. That is all well and good but it fails to address how the bourgeoisie can obtain their wealth when there are no workers because if the workers are left destitute then no one can purchase commodities of any kind, thus, no profits can be realized by the bourgeoisie. To me this is absurd, although, it does provide an answer as to the stage of development of revolutionary activity wherein the masses are pushed to a point where they say enough is enough. At this point, dear Melvin...Sir, the armed struggle begins in the form of the mass insurrection. It is this very possibility of the development of the fascist bourgeoisie restructuring a society maintaining private property without capitalism that would cause the rupture of class antagonisms into the advanced stage of revolutionary development in the form of armed struggle. This armed struggle has always implied the mass insurrection dear"Sir". Marxism teaches us that a "leap" is part of a total of accumulative contradictions culminating from the unity of opposites that goes from a quantitative stage to a qualitative stage. Perhaps a rude explanation but don't have the time to "sound Marxist" at the moment. Anyway, it is when the system can no longer provide at all for the interests of the working-class that they break away from the old and begin the new. At any rate, my point is is that such a rupture in the class struggle will be realized and it is through the complete comprehensive exposures of all the contradictions in capitalist society that are the task of Marxist revolutionaries. The importance of these comprehensive exposures in all aspects of capitalist society is to train and prepare the working-class to seize power from the bourgeoisie. This seizure of power could possibly come before such a society based on the maintaining of private property without capitalism can be completely structured by the bourgeoisie and this is one of the historical lessons of the October Revolution wherein the Bolsheviks seized power before all the conditions were set in place. It was Trotsky and his ilk that tried to set back the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat then and it has been a continual process of attempting to reverse the revolutionary struggle of such reactionaries to this very present day. So again, yes, Comrade f580 is most correct to say that certain communists are nothing more than what I will call agents of the bourgeoisie. They will continually try to avert the need for armed struggle and the forcibal suppression of the bourgeoisie. Even a "ten-year-old schoolgirl" will realize that the Marxist concept of the armed struggle involves insurrection by the masses! But it also implies firstly that Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries who are to be the vanguard realize this need and PREACH it to the masses as instructed by Lenin. I wish there were a few "ten-year-old schoolgirls" on this list, maybe there would be more intelligent dialogue. Fraternally Mark Scott
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