Comrade klo,

I would like to mention that Lenin himself uses the term "stage"
interchangeably with the term "phase" in relation to the "phases" of
communism, but not as a "separate" stage: "In the first phase, or first
stage, communism CANNOT as yet be fully mature economically and entirely
free from traditions or vestiges of capitalism"(The State and Revolution).
                   Javad

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> Javad Eskandarpour wrote:
> >
> > Comrade Klo,
> >
> > I would like to mention that the formulation with "phases" is really the
> > Marxist-Leninist one.
> >        Javad
>
> I know Lenin uses that terminology but I prefer the word "stages,"
> because it denotes a sharper delineation, and I think "phases" muddies
> the distinction between socialism and communism.  I prefer to think of
> socialism as a separate stage rather than merely as an early phase of
> communism.  To me, the communist stage is in a league by itself--unlike
> anything that has ever gone before.
>
> Fraternally,
>
> Klo
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kloMcKinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MLL] Socialism to Communism & the Transitional State (was
> > Marxist-Len
> >
> > > Javad Eskandarpour wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Comrade Klo,
> > > >
> > > > In relation to your comment on "the transition", I would like to
mention
> > > > that if one takes communism without phases, then one might say that
the
> > > > transition is from capitalism "to the communist phase", as you put
it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Javad.  That is a pretty good way to put it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Otherwise, if one says in agreemet with Marx, Engles, Lenin, and
other
> > > > revolutionary Marxist-Leninists that we have phases of communism,
then
> > one
> > > > must say that "the transition" from capitalism to "higher phase" of
> > > > communism must be established through the first phase of communism
which
> > is
> > > > the political transition period.
> > >
> > > Correct.  That approximates the way Lenin formulates it, and although
it
> > > is readily understandable in that manner, I think a clearer
formulation
> > > would be better. I, like you, think "phases" of the communist phase is
> > > misleading.
> > >
> > >
> > > >                                           Javad
> > > >
> > >
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