Klo comrade, the point also to be made, is on the recently raised issue of self-determination (S-D) with regard to Yugoslavia. Being, that a nation can no longer cecede or emerge as an *independent* capitalist nation because imperialism will not allow it, witness the independence of Yugoslavia that has been smashed because it wanted independence from the western powers as Milosovich makes clear. The imperialists used the bourgeois call for S-D to break up the FRY on the basis of the right to national independence of the member republics, again as Milosovich makes clear, those republics have sacrificed their independence and sovereignty, as capitalist states. It is only socialism that can offer those peoples the right to exist as independent states. They all originally had this right to secede as independent socialist republics or to voluntarily remain in the Federal Peoples Republic of Yugoslavia under the constitution adopted from the USSR. Upon their conversion to a capitalist federal republic, they each lost this right, since no capitalist federal constitution recognises the right to secede as an independent state. All capitalist federal republics like Germany and in particular the hypocritical USA would not allow any of their federated states to secede. This was made abundantly clear in the American civil war. The bourgeois right to self-determination is merely used as an instrument for imperialist world domination. No capitalist country today is safe from being forced to submit to dependence on imperialism; bourgeois national sovereignty is being piecemeal destroyed. Only socialism can bring freedom and the right to independence to the peoples of the world. This is the lesson to be drawn once again, ever more strongly, from the attacks on the FRY. The Cuban situation speaks volumes for the heroism of the people, as you point out, their great geographical advantage, the 'moat' serves them well. fraternally, Alan > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > kloMcKinsey > Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2000 12:09 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FW: [MLL]Fw: [CrashList] Milosevic Speech (complete). > > > Good post Alan. > > Milosevich did all right. By reading this you can see some of the > reasons the capitalists hated him so intensely and wanted him out at all > costs. > He makes some good prognostications which the world in general and > Serbs in particular would do well to keep in mind. I especially like > his references to what has already occurred in Eastern Europe to those > who succumbed to capitalist assaults and what can be expected in Serbia > should he leave power. > He briefly outlines the various unscrupulous tactics used by the > bourgeoisie and inadvertently shows why it is a pity that Yugoslavia, > especially Serbia, is not an island like Cuba, so the snakes cannot raps > their coils nearly so easily. The fact that Cuba is surrounded by a > moat is its single greatest treasure from a geopolitical perspective. > > For the cause, > > Klo > > > Alan Dover wrote: > > > > Comrades, > > > > I resend the original complete English translation: > > > > Alan. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Macdonald Stainsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: Marxism (LP) List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Leninist > International > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:58 PM > > > Subject: [CrashList] Milosevic Speech (complete). > > > > > > > > > > > > The Official Web Presentation of the Federal Ministry of > Foreign Affairs > > > > > > Yugoslav Daily Survey - Special Issue > > > > > > BELGRADE, 2 October 2000 YUGOSLAV PRESIDENT MILOSEVIC > ADDRESSES THE ATION > > > (Tanjug).- Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic addressed on > Monday the > > > nation over the Serbian radio and television. "Dear citizens, In the > > > expectation of the second round of the election, I take the > opportunity to > > > explain to you my views on the electoral and political > situation in our > > > country, especially in Serbia. As you know, efforts have been > > > underway for a > > > whole decade to place the entire Balkan peninsula under the > > > control of some > > > western powers. A big part of that job was done by establishing puppet > > > governments in some countries, by transforming them into > countries with > > > limited sovereignty or even deprived of any sovereignty at > all. Due to our > > > resistance to such a fate for our country, we were subjected to > > > all forms of > > > pressure to which people in the contemporary world can be > subjected. The > > > number and intensity of the pressures multiplied as time went by. All > > > experience the big powers gained in the second half of the > 20th century in > > > overthrowing governments, causing unrest, instigating civil wars, > > > disparaging > > > or liquidating national freedom fighters, bringing states and > > > nations to the > > > brink of poverty - all this was applied to our country and > our people. The > > > developments organized for our elections are also a part of > the organized > > > persecution of our country and our people, because our country and our > > > people > > > constitute a barrier to the establishment of full domination > in the Balkan > > > peninsula. A grouping has for a long time now been present in > our midst > > > which, > > > under the guise of opposition political parties of democratic > orientation, > > > represents the interests of governments which are the protagonists of > > > pressures against Yugoslavia, and especially against Serbia. > That grouping > > > appeared in these elections under the name Democratic Opposition > > > of Serbia. > > > Its true head is not its presidential candidate. Its head for > > > many years has > > > been the president of the Democratic Party and collaborator of > > > the military > > > alliance which waged a war against our country. He could not > even conceal > > > his > > > collaboration with that alliance. In fact, our entire public > knows of his > > > appeal to NATO to bomb Serbia for as many weeks as necessary > to break its > > > resistance. The grouping organized in this manner for these elections > > > therefore represents the armies and governments which > recently waged war > > > against Yugoslavia. In representing their interests, the > grouping launched > > > messages to our public that with them at the head, Yugoslavia > would be out > > > of > > > any danger of war or violence, that economic prosperity would > come, the > > > standard of living would improve visibly and rapidly, that > > > Yugoslavia would > > > allegedly reintegrate in international institutions, and so forth. > > > Distinguished citizens, It is my duty to warn you publicly and in > > > time that > > > such promises are false and that the situation is quite > different. It is > > > precisely our policy which guarantees peace and theirs only lasting > > > conflicts > > > and violence, and I shall tell you why. With the establishment of an > > > administration supported or installed by a community of > countries gathered > > > within NATO, Yugoslavia would inevitably become a country > whose territory > > > would quickly be dismembered. These are not only NATO's > intentions. These > > > are > > > the pre-election promises of the Democratic Opposition of > Serbia. We have > > > heard from its representatives that Sandzak would get the > autonomy that a > > > member of its coalition and leader of a separatist Muslim organization > > > Sulejman Ugljanin has been advocating for ten years, and which > > > would in fact > > > mean a definite separation of Sandzak from Serbia. Their promises also > > > include > > > giving to Vojvodina an autonomy that would not only separate it > > > from Serbia > > > and Yugoslavia but would in fact make it an integral part of > neighbouring > > > Hungary. In a similar manner other areas would be separated from > > > Serbia and > > > some other border areas. Their annexation by neighbouring > states has for a > > > long time been a hot issue in those states, which keep inciting their > > > minorities in Yugoslavia to make a contribution to an > integration of parts > > > of > > > our country with neighbouring states. Within this policy of > dismembering > > > Yugoslavia, Kosovo would be the first victim. Its present > status would be > > > proclaimed legal and final. It is the first part of its > territory to which > > > Serbia would have to bid farewell, without even voicing hope that > > > this part > > > of > > > its land could once be returned to it. The remaining > territory that would > > > bear > > > the name Serbia would be occupied by international, US or some third > > > military > > > forces, which would treat this territory as their military > training ground > > > and > > > as their property to be controlled in line with the interests > of the power > > > whose army is present there. We have been looking at cases of > such control > > > and > > > consequences thereof for decades, and especially in this > decade in many > > > countries around the world, unfortunately lately even in Europe, for > > > instance > > > in Kosovo, Republika Srpska and Macedonia, in our immediate > neighbourhood. > > > The > > > people of Serbia would know the fate of the Kurds, with a > > > prospect of being > > > exterminated more speedily than the Kurds since they are less > > > numerous, and > > > since their movements would be limited to a much smaller area > than the one > > > in > > > which Kurds have been present for decades. As for Montenegro, its > > > fate would > > > be left in the hands of the mafia, whose rules of the game > should be made > > > well > > > known to the citizens: any breach of discipline and especially any > > > opposition > > > to mafia interests is punishable by death without any right > to appeal. I > > > have > > > presented to you the fate of Yugoslavia in case of acceptance > of the NATO > > > option for our country, in order to warn you that, in addition to > > > a loss of > > > land and humiliation of the people, all would live under > > > ceaseless violence. > > > The new owners of former Yugoslavia's state territory and > occupiers of the > > > remaining Serbian territory would, as is the nature of things, > > > terrorize the > > > population whose territory they will have occupied. The Serb > people itself > > > would at the same time fight continuously for the > > > re-establishment of a Serb > > > state in which it could reassemble. They do not want peace or > > > prosperity in > > > the Balkans. They want this to be a zone of permanent > conflicts and wars > > > which > > > would provide them with an alibi for their lasting presence. "A puppet > > > government therefore guarantees violence, possibly many years of war, > > > anything > > > but peace. Only our own administration guarantees peace. Moreover, all > > > countries finding themselves with a status of limited > sovereignty and with > > > governments under the influence of foreign powers, have > speedily become > > > impoverished in a manner destroying all hope for more just and > > > humane social > > > relations. A great division into a poor majority and a rich > > > minority - this > > > has been the picture of eastern Europe for some years now > that we can all > > > see. > > > That picture would also include us. We, too, would under the > command and > > > control of the owners of our country quickly have a > tremendous majority of > > > the > > > very poor, whose prospects of coming out of their poverty > would be very, > > > very > > > uncertain and far away. The rich minority would be constituted by > > > the black > > > marketeering elite, which would be allowed to be rich only on > > > condition that > > > it be fully loyal to the command which decides the fate of > their country. > > > Public and social property would quickly be transformed into private > > > property, > > > but its owners, as demonstrated by the experience of our > neighbours, would > > > as > > > a rule be foreigners. Among few exceptions would be only > those who would > > > purchase their right to ownership by their loyalty and > submission, which > > > would > > > lead to the elimination of elementary national and human dignity. The > > > greatest > > > national assets in such circumstances become the property of > > > foreigners, and > > > the people who used to manage them would continue to do so in > > > these changed > > > circumstances but as employees of foreign companies in their > own country. > > > National humiliation, state fragmentation and social poverty would > > > necessarily > > > lead to many forms of social pathology, of which crime would > be the first. > > > This is not just an assumption, this is the experience of all > countries > > > which > > > have taken the path that we are trying to avoid at any cost. The > > > centres of > > > European crime are no longer in the west, they were moved to > > > eastern Europe > > > a > > > decade ago. Our people find it hard to bear already the present crime > > > incidence, as we lived for a long time - from World War II to the > > > 1990s - in > > > a > > > society which hardly knew any crime at all. Any large-scale > crime, such as > > > cannot be avoided in a society that we would become with the loss of > > > sovereignty and a large part of territory, such large-scale > crime would be > > > as > > > dangerous for our small and unused to crime people as war is > dangerous for > > > the > > > society and its citizens. One of the essential tasks of a puppet > > > government > > > in > > > any country, including ours were we to have such a > government, is loss of > > > identity. Countries under foreign command relatively quickly part > > > with their > > > history, their past, their tradition, their national symbols, > their way of > > > living, often their own literary language. Invisible at > first, but very > > > efficient and merciless selection of national identity would > > > reduce it to a > > > few local dishes, a few songs and folk dances, the names of > > > national heroes > > > used as brand names for food products or cosmetics. One of the really > > > obvious > > > consequences of the takeover of territories of countries by > the big powers > > > in > > > the 20th century is the annihilation of the identity of the > > > people of those > > > countries. Experience of other countries shows that people > can hardly come > > > to > > > terms with the speed with which they are starting to use a > > > foreign language > > > as > > > their own, to identify with foreign historic figures > forgetting their own, > > > to > > > be better acquainted with the literature of their occupiers than > > > their own, > > > to > > > glorify the history of others while mocking their own, to > resemble others > > > instead of themselves. The loss of a national identity is the greatest > > > defeat > > > a nation can know, which is inevitable in the contemporary form of > > > colonization. Besides, that new form of colonization by its > very nature > > > rules > > > out any possibility of free speech or free will, and > especially rules out > > > any > > > creativity of any kind. Countries which are not free deny to the > > > people who > > > live in them the right to freely express their opinion, as > that opinion > > > would > > > be in collision with the absence of freedom. This is why torture over > > > thought > > > is the most consistent and essential form of torture in a > country that has > > > lost its freedom. As for exercising free will, it is, naturally, > > > out of the > > > question. Free will is allowed only as a farce. It is allowed > only to the > > > lackeys of foreign masters, whose simulated free will is used by the > > > occupiers > > > as a justification for establishing democracy in whose name they > > > have taken > > > possession of another people's country. I would like to stress > > > particularly > > > because of young people, intellectuals, scientists, that > > > countries deprived > > > of > > > sovereignty are as a rule deprived of the right to creative work, and > > > especially creative work in the field of science. Large > centers and large > > > powers finance scientific work, control its attainments and > > > decide about the > > > application of its results. Dependent states, if they have scientific > > > laboratories and scientific institutes, are not independent ones > > > but operate > > > as branches controlled by one center. Their attainments must > remain within > > > bounds that will not introduce in occupied countries and > occupied peoples > > > the > > > seed of rebellion and emancipation. At this moment ahead of > the run-off > > > elections, because the Democratic Opposition of Serbia doubts it > > > can achieve > > > the result it needs, leaders of the Democratic Opposition of > Serbia with > > > money > > > introduced into the country are bribing, blackmailing and > > > harassing citizens > > > and organizing strikes, unrest and violence in order to stop > > > production, all > > > work and every activity. All that, of course, with the aim of > > > stopping life > > > in > > > Serbia and with the explanation that life can start again and go on > > > successfully and well, when it is organized by those who > > > represent here the > > > intentions, plans and interests of occupiers. Our country is > a sovereign > > > state. It has its laws, its Constitution, its institutions. > Serbia is duty > > > bound, and it deserves to defend itself from invasion which has been > > > prepared > > > against it through different forms of subversion. And the > citizens should > > > know, that by participating in subversion whose objective is foreign > > > domination over their country or the occupation of their country, > > > they bear > > > the historical responsibility of denying to their country the > > > right to exist > > > and also the responsibility of losing control over their own lives. By > > > giving > > > up their country to others, to foreign will they also > surrender to foreign > > > will their own life and the life of their children and of many > > > other people. > > > I > > > considered it my duty, to warn the citizens of our country about the > > > consequences of the activities financed and supported by the > > > governments of > > > NATO countries. Citizens can trust me but they do not have > to. My wish is > > > only > > > that they do not realize this when it is too late, that they do > > > not realize > > > this when it will be difficult to redress mistakes that > citizens naively, > > > superficially or erroneously made, as those mistakes will be > difficult to > > > rectify and some will never be rectified. My motive to express my > > > opinion in > > > this way is not, at all, of personal nature. I was elected > twice President > > > of > > > Serbia and once President of Yugoslavia. It should be clear > to all, after > > > these ten years, that they are not attacking Serbia because > of Milosevic, > > > but > > > Milosevic because of Serbia. My conscience in that respect is > absolutely > > > clear. My conscience, however, would not at all be clear if I > > > would not tell > > > my people, after all these years at their head, what I think > about their > > > fate > > > if that fate is imposed by someone else, even if it means to > > > explain to the > > > people that they have chosen that fate themselves. The > > > misjudgment that they > > > are choosing what has been chosen by someone else, is the > most dangerous > > > misjudgment and the main reason of my decision to address publicly the > > > citizens of Yugoslavia. Thank you." > > > > > > > > > > > > ©1999 Federal Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Federeal Republic of > > > Yugoslavia > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change your options or unsubscribe go to: > http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list > _______________________________________________ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
